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    Re: Ph problem

    I agree it isn't that difficult. I have been running the same reactor on 2 different tanks for about 3 years and never had a problem with it before. Maybe just luckey but it always worked well. I can't figure what has changed which is why it's a bit perplexing. With the new settings on the reactor, there dosn't seem to be any difference in alk (6.3). The ph is now in the higher end of the low range but still too low (7.8). It is a bit hard to tell because the ph is still in that low range though it may have crept up a bit. I am going to do a 10% water change and dose with some reef buffer to try and get this under control and maybe a new starting point. Any thoughts or ideas appreciated. Jim

    Set up date: January 2009 Display Size: 220 Total Water In System: 300 Do you have a sump? YES
    Do you have a refugium? YES Amount of Liverock: 300 pounds Depth of Sandbed: 1 Salinity level: 1.025
    ALK level: 11.0 Ammonia: 0 Nitrate: 0.0 Nitrite: 0
    What lighting are you using? What skimmer are you using? Calcium Reactor? Calcium level: 500
    ATI Powermodle 10 X 60 watt T5HO and reefbrite XHO 72 inch strip Aquatic Kingdom made yes double chamber DIY
    Fish and Inverts: 1 yellow tang,1 blue hippo tang, 20 hermit crabs, various snails, 5 brittle stars, 1 black serpent star, 2 harliquin stars, 3 fire shrimp 1 red manderin goby, 1 flame angel, 1 war paint gobie, 1 yellow watchman gobie, 2 alanthias, spotted foxface, sleeper goby, scooter blenny, flame hawkfish Corals: 1 purple chalice, , 1 favia, 1 candycane, red and green montipora cap, green cyphastrea, meteor shower cyphastrea, black and pink cyphastrea 3 aussie birds nest (neon green, yellow, pink), aussie maze brain, 40 assorted acropora, 2 montipora digita, 1 cat's paw stylopora, 4 millipora (pink, peach, neon green, sunrise),orange + pink digitas.
    Other Equipment: 2 MP40W, heater. 6 stage RO/DI, Closed loop with Fluval FX-5, 1/4 hp sealine chiller, auto top off, Circulating pumps (total 14,000 gph) Tunze 6215 wavebox, MRC large Nilsen Kalk reactor

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    Re: Ph problem

    before you add reef buffer,crack the window open a bit ,i bet your ph rises,
    or just another thought.where is your effluent dripping,maybe if you can move it closer to the output of the skimmer.the turbulance from the skimmer will help dissolve the CO2 .personally im not a big fan of the reef buffer
    some people run the air input to the skimmer from outside and theyve had great success,also alot depends how well there home is sealed,people with new homes sometimes have this problem

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    Set up date: November 2011 Display Size: 60"x36"x24"=225 Total Water In System: 152 Do you have a sump? YES
    Do you have a refugium? NO Amount of Liverock: 100LBS MARCO ROCK,20 LBS JACKARTA ROCK Depth of Sandbed: 4" Salinity level: 1.025
    ALK level: 8 Ammonia: 0 Nitrate: 0 Nitrite: 0
    What lighting are you using? What skimmer are you using? Calcium Reactor? Calcium level: 450
    two 200w, 3w led's, 700mA, 90 degree optics, 2-1 blue to white ratio bubble magus curve 7 yes,mtc
    Fish and Inverts: 1 sea cucumber,70 trochus snails,2 serpant stars,1 brittle star,100 nassurious snails ,PURPLE TANG,REGAL TANG,YELLOW TANG,SCRIBBLED RABBIT,C-QUEST ONYX CLOWNS,REGULAR ONYX CLOWNS,CORAL BEUTY,GREEN CHROMIS,,SWISSGAURD BASSLET Corals: frogspawn,,xenia,candycane ,zoos mainly SPS
    Other Equipment: Kalk reactor, osmallator, .mp40 vortech,microb-blend. REDSEA and REEFCRYSTALS SALT.,WP 40 Other Information: going back to old school methods.

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    Re: Ph problem

    to be honest darryl its really not that hard,i dont use a controller,which makes it even more complicated some say.
    i think theres alot of good things that comes out of a little stone when dissolved with CO2 ,i dont think chemicals can come close to a mineral thats in a stone,its not just calcium.

    by stone i mean crushed coral.
    im not saying dosing doesnt work, your system is a good example of dosing,very nice indeed.

    vic
    I ran a calcium reactor and personally had problems and didnt like it. Although I will be the first to admit it was a poorly made one. I think if you have a good calcium reactor and it works for you, than go for it. Lots of people have success with different methods of major element replenishment.

    As for your comment about dissolving coral skeleton to put back all the elements lost......the logic is sound and I often wonder the same thing myself. How ever after running raw chemicals for quite some time with success I can't see what I would be missing.

    Quote Originally Posted by swissgaurd View Post
    before you add reef buffer,crack the window open a bit ,i bet your ph rises,
    or just another thought.where is your effluent dripping,maybe if you can move it closer to the output of the skimmer.the turbulance from the skimmer will help dissolve the CO2 .personally im not a big fan of the reef buffer
    some people run the air input to the skimmer from outside and theyve had great success,also alot depends how well there home is sealed,people with new homes sometimes have this problem

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    Dissolved oxygen and alkalinity are the two biggest players in what our pH levels will be......if your dissolved oxygen and alkalinity are good than its pretty safe to say you don't have to worry about pH . If you have a problem with pH you should be looking at these two things.

    I think you have drags on dissolved oxygen...your calcium reactor (adding CO2 and driving down O2) and bio-pellets. The bacteria in bio-pellets can also deplete some oxygen from your system, especially in the initially phases.

    Adding buffer to raise your pH will also raise your alkalinity...which you may or may not want. But be careful not to get alk and ca out of balance too much. Kalk is a better solution because it is a balanced additive and raises both ca and alk while positively affecting your pH .

    Set up date: April 2005 Display Size: 200 Total Water In System: 250ish Do you have a sump? YES
    Do you have a refugium? YES Amount of Liverock: 220lbs Depth of Sandbed: 3" Salinity level: 1.025
    ALK level: 9dkH Ammonia: 0 Nitrate: 0-1 Nitrite: 0
    What lighting are you using? What skimmer are you using? Calcium Reactor? Calcium level: 420
    2 x 400w 20kXM in lumenarc and VHO actinic SWC XTREME 250 N/A
    Fish and Inverts: 1 x Naso tang 1 x Blue tang 1 x Yellow tang 1 x sailfin tang 2 x false perc 1 x flame hawk 1 x chromis 1 x harlequin tusk Corals: SPS dominant mixed reef. acro;monti;echino;zoa;gsp; hammerz;clamz etc..
    Other Equipment: ATO, 2 part Doser Other Information: TEMP : 79

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    Re: Ph problem

    thanks for the explanation darryl
    bang on

    vic

    Set up date: November 2011 Display Size: 60"x36"x24"=225 Total Water In System: 152 Do you have a sump? YES
    Do you have a refugium? NO Amount of Liverock: 100LBS MARCO ROCK,20 LBS JACKARTA ROCK Depth of Sandbed: 4" Salinity level: 1.025
    ALK level: 8 Ammonia: 0 Nitrate: 0 Nitrite: 0
    What lighting are you using? What skimmer are you using? Calcium Reactor? Calcium level: 450
    two 200w, 3w led's, 700mA, 90 degree optics, 2-1 blue to white ratio bubble magus curve 7 yes,mtc
    Fish and Inverts: 1 sea cucumber,70 trochus snails,2 serpant stars,1 brittle star,100 nassurious snails ,PURPLE TANG,REGAL TANG,YELLOW TANG,SCRIBBLED RABBIT,C-QUEST ONYX CLOWNS,REGULAR ONYX CLOWNS,CORAL BEUTY,GREEN CHROMIS,,SWISSGAURD BASSLET Corals: frogspawn,,xenia,candycane ,zoos mainly SPS
    Other Equipment: Kalk reactor, osmallator, .mp40 vortech,microb-blend. REDSEA and REEFCRYSTALS SALT.,WP 40 Other Information: going back to old school methods.

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    Re: Ph problem

    No worries about this house being sealed too tight. lol . The window beside the aquarium is usually cracked open this time of year anyway - but not today, it's snowing. I have already started a slow drip of buffer solution. This is probably the first chemicals I have added other than Kalk and salt in 2 years. There are some signs of stress so I want to put the bandaid on it to relieve the stress and then keep trying to get to the root of the problem. I have really quantified the Ca reactor now as opposed to just tweeking it as I felt it needed before. I think that is a good start. Once I get the dkh and ph back into better parameters I will continue to adjust unless I can find another cause.

    The effluent is already dripping right beside the skimmer. It then goes through the refrugium before going down to the return pump. I have basicly doubled the effluent flow but increased the ph from 6.5 to 7. The resulting effluent still has 94% the amount of Ca and therefore I would assume proportionally the same amount of buffer materials. So I figure that the actual amount of Ca and Buffers has increased by 88% from the reactor. So now I am trying to get back to normal dkh levels through the addition of the extra buffers and then hope that the reactor will keep it there. I figure if that works then the ph should sort itself out. Also still running the kalk reactor. Thats my theory anyway. Any thoughts or comments are certanly welcome.

    Set up date: January 2009 Display Size: 220 Total Water In System: 300 Do you have a sump? YES
    Do you have a refugium? YES Amount of Liverock: 300 pounds Depth of Sandbed: 1 Salinity level: 1.025
    ALK level: 11.0 Ammonia: 0 Nitrate: 0.0 Nitrite: 0
    What lighting are you using? What skimmer are you using? Calcium Reactor? Calcium level: 500
    ATI Powermodle 10 X 60 watt T5HO and reefbrite XHO 72 inch strip Aquatic Kingdom made yes double chamber DIY
    Fish and Inverts: 1 yellow tang,1 blue hippo tang, 20 hermit crabs, various snails, 5 brittle stars, 1 black serpent star, 2 harliquin stars, 3 fire shrimp 1 red manderin goby, 1 flame angel, 1 war paint gobie, 1 yellow watchman gobie, 2 alanthias, spotted foxface, sleeper goby, scooter blenny, flame hawkfish Corals: 1 purple chalice, , 1 favia, 1 candycane, red and green montipora cap, green cyphastrea, meteor shower cyphastrea, black and pink cyphastrea 3 aussie birds nest (neon green, yellow, pink), aussie maze brain, 40 assorted acropora, 2 montipora digita, 1 cat's paw stylopora, 4 millipora (pink, peach, neon green, sunrise),orange + pink digitas.
    Other Equipment: 2 MP40W, heater. 6 stage RO/DI, Closed loop with Fluval FX-5, 1/4 hp sealine chiller, auto top off, Circulating pumps (total 14,000 gph) Tunze 6215 wavebox, MRC large Nilsen Kalk reactor

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    Re: Ph problem

    sounds like you know what you are doing, you just need to get all your ducks to line up in a row.

    Good luck.

    Set up date: April 2005 Display Size: 200 Total Water In System: 250ish Do you have a sump? YES
    Do you have a refugium? YES Amount of Liverock: 220lbs Depth of Sandbed: 3" Salinity level: 1.025
    ALK level: 9dkH Ammonia: 0 Nitrate: 0-1 Nitrite: 0
    What lighting are you using? What skimmer are you using? Calcium Reactor? Calcium level: 420
    2 x 400w 20kXM in lumenarc and VHO actinic SWC XTREME 250 N/A
    Fish and Inverts: 1 x Naso tang 1 x Blue tang 1 x Yellow tang 1 x sailfin tang 2 x false perc 1 x flame hawk 1 x chromis 1 x harlequin tusk Corals: SPS dominant mixed reef. acro;monti;echino;zoa;gsp; hammerz;clamz etc..
    Other Equipment: ATO, 2 part Doser Other Information: TEMP : 79

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    Re: Ph problem

    Thanks for the vote of confidence!! Your note on the oxygen was a bit of a different angle so I cleaned out a couple of hanfuls of green algae tha was growing around the macros in the sump . Hope it helps. I have an oxygen test kit on the way. Again thanks for your input. Jim

    Set up date: January 2009 Display Size: 220 Total Water In System: 300 Do you have a sump? YES
    Do you have a refugium? YES Amount of Liverock: 300 pounds Depth of Sandbed: 1 Salinity level: 1.025
    ALK level: 11.0 Ammonia: 0 Nitrate: 0.0 Nitrite: 0
    What lighting are you using? What skimmer are you using? Calcium Reactor? Calcium level: 500
    ATI Powermodle 10 X 60 watt T5HO and reefbrite XHO 72 inch strip Aquatic Kingdom made yes double chamber DIY
    Fish and Inverts: 1 yellow tang,1 blue hippo tang, 20 hermit crabs, various snails, 5 brittle stars, 1 black serpent star, 2 harliquin stars, 3 fire shrimp 1 red manderin goby, 1 flame angel, 1 war paint gobie, 1 yellow watchman gobie, 2 alanthias, spotted foxface, sleeper goby, scooter blenny, flame hawkfish Corals: 1 purple chalice, , 1 favia, 1 candycane, red and green montipora cap, green cyphastrea, meteor shower cyphastrea, black and pink cyphastrea 3 aussie birds nest (neon green, yellow, pink), aussie maze brain, 40 assorted acropora, 2 montipora digita, 1 cat's paw stylopora, 4 millipora (pink, peach, neon green, sunrise),orange + pink digitas.
    Other Equipment: 2 MP40W, heater. 6 stage RO/DI, Closed loop with Fluval FX-5, 1/4 hp sealine chiller, auto top off, Circulating pumps (total 14,000 gph) Tunze 6215 wavebox, MRC large Nilsen Kalk reactor

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