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    More power out of your NO lights.

    Well I did a pre wire on my 03/actinic NO bulbs and ballast to check its operation, and against better judgment I decided to use my expensive bulbs for a over drive comparison.. I am glad I did as the blues show the difference in intensity better.

    first the data, I am using a GE Electronic
    B340R120HP PC#80156 3 lamp rapid start ballast and 2 Philips 03/actinic 36" bulbs.

    the first picture is the two light being driven normally (this was just a functional test)

    the next 3 are the pics of the one bulb over driven and the other bulb normal so you get a side by side comparison

    far shot


    a closeup


    and a end view


    and finally the end cap arrangement used to over drive compared to the normal one


    I only ran it for about 30 min and the over driven was a bit hotter than the other but it was hardly noticeable.

    After this I went out and bought a light meter and a new multi meter so I can have #'s to show the actual gains out of doing this.

    I also have to state I got the idea to try this from reefburnaby's experiments with overdriving NO bulbs.

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    Hey, its not delivery, Its DELISSIO!!!

    So I assume that the brighter one is 2* ovr. Or is it more than that?

    Just trying to get a visual of what mine will be like when i manage to get to the home depot to get a ballast to go 4*

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    hehe, ya the wife would kill me if she caught me doing this with out protecting our dinning room table

    the brighter one is 2 over, tomorrow I will be redoing the test and recording wattage and lux and also trying 3X out put also

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    Cool

    Keep us posted with more pics if you can.
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    Ok now that I am complete my testing for this ballast and lights here are the results. First to mention the equipment I am using again 1, GE Electronic
    B340R120HP PC#80156 3 lamp rapid start ballast and 1 Philips 03/actinic 36" bulb.

    to record this info I am using a new radioshack digital auto range multimeter, and a GE light meter.

    first, the test setup looks like this

    I took initial reading and then again took readings after 25 minutes of the set up running and having a chance to settle out.
    here is the first test running the bulb at normal power.
    the initial current was 0.330 amps (39.6 watts)and it climbed to 0.332, (39.84 watts)not a significant change so I only recorded the start current, the ballast was cold after this test and the bulb was warm.

    the light output remained constant at 13 foot candles @ 12" and 190 foot candles at the bulb surface


    for the second set I used 2 sets of leads to the power side of the bulb.
    the initial current was 0.460 amps (55.2 watts) and the final current dropped to 0.455 amps (54.6 watts), the ballast was 84 degrees F and the bulb was warm (about the same as test 1).

    the light output remained constant at 19 foot candles @ 12" and 320 foot candles at the bulb surface


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    for the 3x test I wired up the power endcap like this

    The current rose from an initial 0.524 amps (62.88 watts) to a final of 0.549 amps (65.88 watts), the ballast rose to a temperature of 89 degrees F, and the bulb was still only warm ( I could have held my hand on it all day)

    the light output also increased over the 25 minutes from a start of 23 foot candles @ 12" and 400 foot candles at the bulb surface, to 25 foot candles @ 12" and 420 foot candles at the bulb surface.


    ok now the best for last.. I took a overview picture for each test and I will put them in order of the tests one on top of each other so you can see the difference.




    well there is that test, I will be doing it on my 96 watt PC bulbs also to compare there out put and I am thinking I will get a 5900K daylight bulb and try it also (actinic light shows up as a lower output on normal light meters so that is why the numbers for the foot candles look low for a 30 watt bulb. I meant the numbers as a comparison factor not the actual out put of the bulb)

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    Ok out of curosity I flashed up my 36" 96 watt PC's and measured the light only on them
    my 10000K was putting out 410 foot candles @ 12"(4413 lux) and 5100 foot candles at the surface (54896 lux).

    the 6500K was putting out 375 footcandles @ 12" (4036 lux)and 4600 at the surface (49514 lux).

    with both bulbs running I took a measurment at 12" and I got 630 foot candle @ 12" or (6781 lux)

    I am going to be taking my light meter out with me so when i stop by stores and such I willl try to get a reading off there lights.

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    Great Job Steve, this is exactly the thing the hobby needs; factual controlled testing, rather than "I heard that...", or "Someone told me that..."

    I'd be curious to see what the results are for a GE 6500K Ultra-Daylight NO tube? The $4.50 kind that I buy at Canadian Tire when I don't feel like spending the $40 right away on a URI Aquasun! I would think that a couple of the GE ballasts with 3 GE 6500K lamps would produce a lot of output, for less than $100.

    Powered on my Icecap ballast they run almost as bright as the Aquasun anyway, but that is just visually comparing, not actually testing with a light meter...

    Hmmm... Next time you are over for a meeting, we might have to do a little Icecap 660 experiment at my house????

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    ya I am going to get over for a meeting after Christmas.. I am planning on doing this with a cheep daylight bulb also (36" length though) and I am going to buy another one of these ballast and use two ballast and kind of create a home made dimmer for the lights by staggering the start time of the different ballast.

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    Lightbulb INFO!!!

    ...and when you two do this...PLEASE be sure to POST that info too. The more information the better!!!

    Thanks all.....

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