ATTENTION MR LAMBERT

[theo]

Hey there..........the computer I got from you keeps getting scrambled and losing programs etc. there is no virus. I have to turn my firewall off to run the computer, otherwise it just freezes. I can however run to check for viruses and I can do updates to make sure I'm up on the latest ones. I have sent several messages asking you to give me the link and the instructions to wipe out the hard drive and reprogram the system but I have not heard from you. It is not being overdriven at 600 mhz for a pentium 3 and I have taken windows off and put it back on several times. I run scan disk in thorough mode and it finds nothing. Once I download the operating system.......again, it runs good for a while and then starts to sputter with all kinds of error messages and lost files.................please advise.


P.S if anyone else thinks they can help please let me know
Joe Currah

[Michael_Lambert]

Joe..

Im on MSN all the time..

But here you will great input as well..

I did reply to your message and stated that if you have formated the hard drive and reinstalled Windows.. and it works great but then you are getting error messages.. and Loss of files? I have no idea why that would happen..

I do know there are a few IT guys here online that might know more.. But if you are able to format with no issues.. and then you are able to reinstall windows with no issues.. and you run a scan disk where it is finding no issues with the harddrive i really have no idea why this would be happening?

as for instructions to whip the hard drive..

All you need to do is Boot from a Windows Boot disk, I prefer 98 boot disk.. with the format.com file on it.. Boot from the disk it will bring you to the command prompt.. and from there you would type..

" Format c: "

this will run through a Format of the Disk drive ( Harddrive) from there you would stick your windows CD into the computer and reboot it.. the computer will detect the CD, and run it.. and will do a clean install..

Other than that..

the issues you are having with your firewall? No idea?

[Michael_Lambert]

Of course if anyone eles has any ideas.. as to what might be the issue.. please share..

it was a used computer trade for a used fish tank.. and it is a Celeron pentuim 300 overclocked to 600MHZ, His doing , At the time of trafe it was setup at the default settings.

You can check out This (http://www.webtechgeek.com/How-to-Format-a-Hard-Drive.htm) Link

[awcrimety]

What kind of error messages is it getting? bluescreens? are they always the same errors?

i don't know too much about overclocking, but i believe it can cause some heat issues.

what kind of fish tank can you get for 300 mhz computer? =)

logan

[theo]

Thats someting that i dont understand. When we traded i thought it was a pentium 3 wich from what I read runs at around 500 to 600 mgz. But you say it is being overdriven. Excuse my lack of knowledge but I thought I was trading my pentium 1 for a pentium 3!!

Right now the last time I downloaded windows......... agian. The outlook express I was using couldn't come back up because a shortcut to a certain file was no longer available. So I swich to Micrsoft outlook. It worked for a day and now I cant mail out because it cant find the "WAB DLL". Its continuous.........I get something running and something else stops. I cant run with the virus scan on because something is telling it to continuallly look for updates and causes the coputer to freeze. When I try to do windows updates it cant establish a connection to the internet to download the updates, yet I'm usuing it to view the web sight. Once I did get it to download but could never finish and kept telling me there was previous unfinished downloads.It goes on and on

[Sergio]

You should run fdisk first to wipe out the partition then format using the command c:\ format c:/s/u
The best thing to do is fdisk with your start up disk.
delete all the partitions
then make sure your pc boots up from your cd rom
put your windows disk in & reboot
follow the instructions on the screen
I you can't figure it out drop it off @ my place & i'll do it for you

[Michael_Lambert]

It was a while ago..

and there was alot more involved..

a Pentuim 3 system and Brand new Sony Digital Camera for a older HP Pavilion P 366 and a 100 Gallon setup.

but i can still not understand what is going on..

I mean i cant see it being Hardware related.. as everything works fine for a while once you reinstall but then goes all after some time of use.

[cancruiser]

First and formost. Try running it at its proper operating speed of 300mhz. If this fixes the crashing (which I bet it will) leave it.

If you still have problems, make sure your RMA is OK. You can download free software that puts RAM through very thorough tests. Next do a full scandisk on the machine to mark bad blocks. Once marked the PC will not try to write to them. Next, check out the power supply. A failing power supply will also give you the symptoms that you describe( I still think its the overclocking).

OR if you must overclock

Over clocking the processor also will increase the heat created within the chip. If you are running the stock heat sink and fan, Don't! upgrade to a larger heatsink and more powerful fan. Remember, there are over 20 million transistors running in that processor and too much heat kills.

To run at 600mhz you would have to use a multiplier of 133mhz meaning that you mainboard has a front side bus speed of 133mhz.

More Details:

The default multiplier for the Celeron 300A is 4.5 so bus speed @

4.5 x 75MHz = 338MHz
4.5 x 83MHz = 374MHz
4.5 x 100MHz = 450MHz
4.5 x 103MHz = 464MHz
4.5 x 112MHz = 504MHz*

* = Very rare and difficult to achieve. Success rate below one in five

This info is from Here (http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/celeron_oc/)

So running at 600mhz is virtually impossible (if Possible at All) with out having many, many, many issues. Kind of like the ones you are having:(

Cheers! :cheers2:

I hope this helps!!

[Michael_Lambert]

I really have no idea why you are having issues..

Try setting the cpu back to the defaults.. like i suggested last time you called me.. when you told me then you overclocked it.. and see if that helps.

[Wiggler]

I agree with cancruiser.

It sounds most certainly like it's an overclocking issue. Don't overclock it.

Follow these steps..

1. use cancruisers info above to ensure it's not being overclocked.

2. boot up machine with a boot disk and get to a dos prompt.

3. type in fdisk

4. I think it's option 3 to delete partitions (agree to what it asks)

5. Option 1 will allow you to create a partition (when asked, yes you want to use all available space)

6. when complete, hit the escape key to get ya back to a dos prompt.

7. Type in FDISK /mbr (this will toast your master boot record)

8. Reboot the system with the boot disk and go back to a dos prompt.

9. at the prompt. type in: Format C: (it's easier)

10. when it's done, i fyou want put in a name for your hard drive.

11. reboot with floppy

12. when asked by floppy, you'll want to boot with CDROM support.

13. when that's done, ensure the CD is in the drive (the CD with the Windows OS)

14. at the prompt (ensure you've changed the prompt to reflect the CDROM drive) type in setup

15. THis should launch the installer for MS Windows XX

If ya need any extra help, a bunch of us can help ya here at the forum, Michael mentioned he's on MSN as am I. If you click on the profile button below this post, you'll see my MSN information.

HTH

Pam


But I have also seen anti-virus software give error messages with various DLL files missing or corrupted. Especially if someone installs 2 different types of anti-virus software (i.e. McAfee/Norton)

[Hark]

yep, my bet and all my computer degree's tell me that you are experiencing heat related issues as a result of overclocking the CPU.

Unfortunately you might have caused permanent damage to the CPU by running it at clock speeds it was not originally intended to run at....sometimes overclocking works fine, sometimes it dont.

good luck...

[aesop]

First and formost; don't overclock the CPU (sounds like it is), Especially if you have no idea what is going on. Overclocking takes alot of effort, and a half decent understanding of how computer hardware interacts with each other.

IMHO:
1. If apps are crashing; and your overclocking, the CPU is messed up. instructions are not getting processed properly.
2. RAM also becomes unstable when the system is overclocked. If the ram is not BAD to begin with, improper overclocking will make it worst.

Set the system back to where it is *SUPPOSED* to be. If that doesn't fix it then run a scan on your ram. If there is more then one stick of ram in there.. swap them around. Test each one individually, if the propblems still occur when you have tested each peice of ram.

3. go get a new PC :) P3-800's are going for like 100-150$ if I'm not mistaken. its not worth the effort to trouble shoot something that is 300mhz.

Please don't take my message in the wrong way. But I'm against OC, too many people think its free speed, when it really isn't. Nothing is free :) if you wanted a 600mhz P3, buy a 600mhz P3.

Regards..

[Michael_Lambert]

Joe..

I would agree with everything above.. It sounds like the overclocking factor is causing your issues !..

Take the fan off it will tell you what the CPU speed is on the CPU.. and reclock the settings to match that CPU speed.. and that should resolve your issues.

[theo]

Well...not being computer literate I dont get it. I had my HP pentium 1. I wanted a better system wich was expreessed in my post to trade. I thought I was getting a pentium three wich from what I understood ran at around 600 mgz. I didnt request that it be overclocked I only stated what I understood was what the procesor was suppose to be running at. How is this system better than the one I had? I would appreciate if you would post the specs. I really appreciate everyones help but when I try to reboot with the start up disk in "A" it doesnt read it. When I go to RUN and type A:cformat it says that it is a "pure image disk" and that there is no changes..........I may have to take it in somewhere and thats why I need the specs. If I dont know what I'm doing, unless its pretty foolproof I may just screw it up more. I dont like to play with things i dont know anything about. this is why I didnt question because i just said I wanted a better system and I trusted that is what i was getting.
What conducts what MGZ the system runs at? I thought it was the processor but I think I was running at more MGZ with my previous machine.
Sorry if this is getting frustrating.

[awcrimety]

I don't even understand who overclocked this computer, and how they did it? lambert says he sold a 300mhz, and theo says he bought a p3. no one admits to overclocking, right?

i agree with wiggler,...2 virus scanners cause havoc

bad ram causes errors, usually the same error

I believe the problem lies in there somewhere

I also agree that overclocking cause overheating, and overheating causes these problems,...but I don't understand when the computer was overclocked, so I don't think it is.

my 2 cents

oh,..and I also agree to get a new pc,...if you ordered from dell today you could have had a celeron 2.4ghz and 17"monitor delivered to your door for 5 hundy, taxes in! =)

[Cellenzweig]

Agreed... if that computer is overclocked, that is likely causing the problems. Overclocking requires a lot of heat removal and that usually means several case fans and a good processor fan and heat sink at the very least. Some people who overclock even run water cooling.

If the computer is overclocked, reduce it to the factory settings. If you still have problems, you may be S.O.L.

Colin

[cancruiser]

Look, I understand how frustrating computer can be. If you can't figure it out and dont mind a drive to Orangeville, I can help you out. Just give me a PM if you are interested.

[Michael_Lambert]

Theo...

the computer that i got in the trade.. was a HP Pavilion 4550z I have it sitting infront of me with a dead Harddrive and non working sound card.. The joys of buying used..

The specs on this computer are..

Intel Pentium 466 ( non upgradeable)
64 Megs of ram
4 meg onboard video

Witch is much much worse than the comptuer you recived..

Pentium Celeron 400 or 466 cant remember.. ( ASUS Socket 7 board ) good for upto Celeron 1.2GHz..
256 megs of ram
ATI All in wonder Video card.. with TV in and outs..

The main reason you liked the trade was becouse it was a upgrade from what you had.. AND You could upgrade the processor.. I was just talking wiht my family.. All that was there.. and you said the same thing then.. that you where looking to upgrade.. you said you would run what you have for now.. and then upgrade the cpu later on.. You asked me if you bought a CD burner and the Upgraded CPU would i install it.. I told you yes.. for free!


Im not sure what you are trying to get at here.. But the computer was traded to you as a Celeron.. i told you that.. infact you where happy at that becouse your friend there was talking about being able to overclock it.. I told you it was possible.. but i did not have do it for you becouse of the risk.. I was there when your firend Overclocked it .. and we waited around while you tried it all out and started playing your games.. "That would not run on your other computer" that i took.. You had been playing them on the other computer in the basement.. becouse htey would not run on the comptuer i recived.. but they do and did run on the new computer you got from me.. I was there and you both stated how much better the computer from me was!.. Your firend was all giddy becouse of it.. he was estatic that he could now play his games! ..

If you look at your copy of the trade agreement that we all signed it says a Celeron 400 i think.. I really cant remember but i will have to pull out the files if needed.. we even went into the Properties to verify all this when i dropped it off to you .


So, Please ..

Do not imply that what you had traded to me was anything near as good as what you have now!

[theo]

Yknow Mike. When the common guy goes out and buys a computer the BUZZ words are the number on the pentium chip. Im not saying you did anything. To this day I dont understand what the mgz has to do with the processor. I asked you what it was and you told me it was a petium 3 and sent me a pic of a pentium 3 processor. My partner of 9 years (not just a friend) overclocked it because as stated before we thought this was what a pentium 4 processor was suppose to run at.
The computer you got was fine until you took the zip drive out and it died. That is iether here nor there and we could argue this all day but Im not interested.
Thank you everyone for your help.
What I wanted was a computer that one goes to the store and buys a pentium 3 computer that runs at the mgz its suppose to.
Please just let me know how this is different and what I need to have done to it to make it this way. Also what it should cost around about. I did put the clock back down but so far wont come back up again and PLEASE just tell me if this is a pentium 3 processor or not.

[jtremblay]

It's not a Pentium 3, it's a Celeron processor. They're closely related beasts (the differences involve, mostly, the cache size and bus speeds).

If your cooling was inadequate for the speed at which the CPU was overclocked, it's possible your CPU is toast. Overclocking = much more heat produced. If you don't get the heat away fast enough, you fry the CPU.

If Mike gave you a functioning PC ... and then your friend turned around and OC'd it w/o proper cooling, it's your friend's fault, not Mike's.

HTH

[Hark]

Originally posted by theo
Yknow Mike. When the common guy goes out and buys a computer the BUZZ words are the number on the pentium chip. Im not saying you did anything. To this day I dont understand what the mgz has to do with the processor. I asked you what it was and you told me it was a petium 3 and sent me a pic of a pentium 3 processor. My partner of 9 years (not just a friend) overclocked it because as stated before we thought this was what a pentium 4 processor was suppose to run at.
The computer you got was fine until you took the zip drive out and it died. That is iether here nor there and we could argue this all day but Im not interested.
Thank you everyone for your help.
What I wanted was a computer that one goes to the store and buys a pentium 3 computer that runs at the mgz its suppose to.
Please just let me know how this is different and what I need to have done to it to make it this way. Also what it should cost around about. I did put the clock back down but so far wont come back up again and PLEASE just tell me if this is a pentium 3 processor or not.

Theo,
I might have some spare parts lying around from some of my older PC's that if you need to pick from, i would be willing to give them to you to get your PC up and working....Im not quite sure anymore what exactly is wrong, but it sounds like heat related (CPU, memory affected)....anyway, im only in waterloo so its not that far a drive if you need to bring it over so i can take a look at it.

[theo]

Thanks Hark..........not sure what were gonna do just now. We just bought a house and money is a bit tight. I brought the mgz down and got the system up but there are still some issues. I work at Expressions on Water street in Kitchener as a designer so if ya need any deals on furniture let me know and I'll see what i can do. I just need a strait answer as to what i have and what i need to get it to what I wanted. Is it possible that I do have a Pentium 3 processor and just need to change the chip that conducts the power? I'm really at a loss as to waht to do next. I may just take it in to a computer place and see what they say.

[theo]

jtremblay..........thanks. I work at Expressions on water in kitchener as an interior designer so if ya need any deals on furniture etc I can see what I can do for ya.
Mike, you sent me a pic of a pentium 3 processor and a registration for same and said that this was what was in the computer. Do the words spindoctor mean anything to you............whatever. Hope you enjoy the tank.

[aesop]

Theo: IF your friend was able to overclock it; he should have some idea of what you have.

Take the covers off. and look @ the numbers on the CPU. If its a Slocket type (looks like card); youll have to remove the fan to look at hte # on the chip, same thing if its a chip. if its encased in black plastic; the speeds will be on the top edge of the package.

this will tell you what you really have.

[Cellenzweig]

There seem to be a couple issues here...

First, the original sale. Mike claims that Theo was well aware of what he was purchasing.


If you look at your copy of the trade agreement that we all signed it says a Celeron 400 i think.. I really cant remember but i will have to pull out the files if needed.. we even went into the Properties to verify all this when i dropped it off to you .

Meanwhile, Theo claims that he was mislead by Mike and lead to believe he was buying a P3.


Mike, you sent me a pic of a pentium 3 processor and a registration for same and said that this was what was in the computer.

Can either of you provide anything that supports your position?


Second, there is the issue of hardware failure. IMO, this issue is not relative to the first.

First things first Theo - buyer beware. There is no guarantee that the used computer that you buy today won't break tomorrow. There are no warranties and by accepting the computer, you are accepting the risk of failure. We all take that risk when we buy used products.

On top of that, your friend overclocked the computer. If your friend isn't even able to identify your processor, THERE IS NO WAY THEY SHOULD BE OVERCLOCKING IT! Overclocking is very complicated and should only be done by people with advanced knowledge. In addition, you need substantial cooling devices to prevent damage. Many of the new components are built to handle heavy overclocking, but the older stuff wasn't. I personally have my computer overclocked - but it's a risk I accept and do everything possible to minimize. This includes buying overclocking ram that IS designed for overclocking, 5 high output case fans and a huge heatsink w/92mm fan on the processor. In addition I am monitoring temperatures and have alarms & shutdown if the system runs too hot. However, even with all of these safe-guards, if my processor or board fries, there is NO WAY the manufacturers will honor the warranty on these parts (except the overclocking RAM)


My partner of 9 years (not just a friend) overclocked it because as stated before we thought this was what a pentium 4 processor was suppose to run at.

First, you stated that you thought you were buying a P3, then later stated that your friend clocked the PC to what a P4 should run at. Even if you had a P3, why would you expect it to run a the speed a P4 would? It sounds to me like niether you, nor you friend has the knowledge to safely do what you were attempting. IMO, the moment you changed the factory settings on the processor, you accepted responsibility for ANY and ALL damage caused. If bought new, that would void your warranty. If it were just that easy to speed up a celeron, nobody would ever buy new computers.

Theo, if you have evidence that Mike somehow scammed, swindled, conned or tricked you using "spindoctor" tactics, you should produce it. Otherwise, you probably shouldn't make public allegations against him, as Mike is a VERY active AND respected member of this site. He has 20 trader ratings and they are all positive. IMO, you shouldn't be potentially damaging his reputation without evidence, especially when any damage was likely caused by overclocking.

just my $.02...
Colin

[theo]

I wasnt asking for anything. I WAS sent a picture of a pentium three procesor and I WAS told that this is what the computer contained.
No I dont have the photos its on the old computer
Your 2 cents..............keep it and buy a life. I dont recall asking your opinin.
I accept full responsability both for overclocking and not being computer savy enough to know what I was buying and havn't asked for anything. Both Mike and myself know what he did and did not do. Thus the comment, enjoy the fish tank.

thank you and good night

[Hark]

Originally posted by theo
Thanks Hark..........not sure what were gonna do just now. We just bought a house and money is a bit tight. I brought the mgz down and got the system up but there are still some issues. I work at Expressions on Water street in Kitchener as a designer so if ya need any deals on furniture let me know and I'll see what i can do. I just need a strait answer as to what i have and what i need to get it to what I wanted. Is it possible that I do have a Pentium 3 processor and just need to change the chip that conducts the power? I'm really at a loss as to waht to do next. I may just take it in to a computer place and see what they say.


Just so you know...I wasnt going to charge you anything to try to fix it for the parts...they are all spares i have, you could have had them for free if there is something that i have that will help you out...

[theo]

Thank you again.

[Cellenzweig]

Your 2 cents..............keep it and buy a life. I dont recall asking your opinin

Sorry buddy, you bought the last discount life at "Pathetic Depot". If you don't want the opinions of others, don't post in a PUBLIC forum. In case you didn't notice, this thread is mainly made up of other people's opinions. Unless I am banned (I assume I would have to break some rules for this to happen) I will continue to post my opinions on the public forums, as that is the purpose of them.


I wasnt asking for anything. I WAS sent a picture of a pentium three procesor and I WAS told that this is what the computer contained.

If you look at your copy of the trade agreement that we all signed it says a Celeron 400 i think.. I really cant remember but i will have to pull out the files if needed.. we even went into the Properties to verify all this when i dropped it off to you .

Are you accusing Mike of lying? Are you stating that this, infact DID NOT take place? Did your friend overclock a computer without even knowing what processor platform he was working with? Seems pretty irresponsible to me.


I accept full responsability both for overclocking and not being computer savy enough to know what I was buying and havn't asked for anything.

If you accept responsibility, why are you bit*hing about Mike after the fact? It looks to me like you're pissed off because you have damaged your system and are now looking to pass the blame. If I were you, I would stop the balking and take some of these very generous people up on their offers of help (some even offering parts). This will actually get you somewhere, unlike bashing one of the site's most reputable members without evidence of wrongdoing.

BTW, from everything I have seen, Mike seems to be one of these generous people, who under different circumstances (like not being publically accused) would probably go out of his way to help.

(This is my opinion - whether you wanted it or not)

[theo]

O.K bye

[Michael_Lambert]

Guys..

Give a little tug on the rains here..!

there are somethings that need to be cleared up!!!!



Originally posted by theo
I asked you what it was and you told me it was a petium 3 and sent me a pic of a pentium 3 processor.

I told you that it was CELERON Processor the same as what was in the Pavilion i was getting from you, When i came to your place to drop it off.. I setup the computer for you and your partner, Me and your partner when into all the the settings.. INCLUDING the Device Manager where he could see all the hardware installed and to verify that everything listed on the contract was in the computer including the CPU, and the MEMORY!.. I did this because i know that neither of you where Computer Savoy.. At that point when he was happy with everything i went back into the room with you.. and Liz ( Our witness ) and All three of use signed the Contract AFTER everything was Verified.. It then showed you guys how to hook up and use the Digital Camera that you also received in the trade.. your partner at that point went on his own and started to install the games that he could not play on your old computer.. while we loaded the tank and stuff into the Van...

At that point i came back into your house picked up the HP Computer that i did not even test!.. took your work on and started to make my way out the door.. at that point is when your partner was talking about being happy because he had it Overclocked running at 600 MHZ ( Celeron processors made by Intel come in MHZ anywhere from 233 right yup to 2.4 Ghz) At that point we left.. and then i returned 5 mins later as i forgot the restore cd for the computer and your partner was happy playing his game!..

This is why i made up the contract.. and had us plus a Witness sign it.. So crap like this does not happen.. This is why i took the time with Witnesses there to setup and show you that EVERYTHING was working.. and working RIGHT!
What you did with the computer after i left i do not know!.. The computer was sold as is!.. stated on the contact.. as all Used goods are sold !! As for sending you photos.. i really have no idea what you are talking about, As i did not send you anything other than PM's through his board and a couple of emails!


overclocked it because as stated before we thought this was what a Pentium 4 processor was suppose to run at.


Pentium Processors.. can not be overclocked to my Knowledge.. only Celerons can.. So really don't know who you could from day one think you had a true Pentium processor when you where overclocking it..



The computer you got was fine until you took the zip drive out and it died. That is either here nor there and we could argue this all day but I'm not interested.


Thec omputer did not die... Like i told you the next day.. You asked if i could remove the Zip drive for you .. and i tried.. I told you that when i removed the zip drive it caused errors.. as that is the way the HP system was designed.. I told you that i could not remove it with out it messing up the computer.. So i left it in there.. you agreed ed!


What I wanted was a computer that one goes to the store and buys a Pentium 3 computer that runs at the mgz its suppose to.


A Pentium 3 runs at many different MHZ.. depending on what you buy!! you traded this computer knowing that it was Celeron BUT the board could handle up to a Pentium Celeron 1.2 GHZ! You said to me and Liz and my father that you where going to upgrade so the CPU was not a issues!! They all heard you !



Both Mike and myself know what he did and did not do
What Mike did was make a Transaction with you !.. Traded a Computer at the time Valued around $600 and a Digital Camera at the time Valued $300 for a 100 Gallon tank Value used around $300 and a Pavilion valued around $300..

It was a EVEN Steven trade! .. Both parties where more than happy at the time! .. You checked it all out.. you have been running it now for 5 months! What are you expecting of me! .. You want me to tear my 100 Gallon reef down so i can give it back because you went and abused a computer system and damaged it?

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All in all..

Guys.. its simple!

A contact was made.. both parties.. received the said goods listed on the contract in DETAIL!.. you know it you have a copy of it!! And that was 5 months ago.. You signed the said contact.. I signed it.. and a witness signed it.. Then you had your mother and partner there as witnesses.. and i had my father, brother , Brothers girlfriend and my girlfriend there as witnesses.. ALL These people seen how happy you where.. All these people seen and heard your partner say that the computer you received was soooo much better.. and BIG THANKS TO ME.. and they all heard him come back into the room talking about overclocking it!

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My offer still stands! .. I told you when we traded that if you ever had issues with it.. I would offer you the free labor of fixing it.. or doing what ever upgrades you wanted for free of charge you just supply what you want installed.. at the time of the trade you where talking tome about installing a better faster CPU and CD Burner!

Well after all this.. I AM STILL willing to do the installs for you .. Or like others have offered.. more than willing to test it out and see what is wrong! ..

but i will not.. return or exchange anything, or pay for any damages.. as i held up my end of the Signed agreement.. And am not responsible for any damages..

Thanks for listening ..

Michael!

[mibaro]

Without taking any sides on this issue....when buying used anything...whether it is a car, or whatever...it can be only guaranteed for so long. If I bought a used car, and 3 months later the starter goes...it isn't the sellers fault. Now if I didn't do anything, and the starter broke the day after the sale, or a week after purchase, then I'ld go back to the seller and complain. But used cars will require repairs.
-If I do anything mechanical to the car (put in too strong an alternator for it the next day) it isn't the sellers fault if the battery explodes or dies.
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--On a brand new computer purchased from ..say..Dell..and I overclock the processor 10 days after receiving it...they will not guarantee it. People can and do, but it is at their own risk and voids the warranty.

Just my explanation/view on what has occurred.

[theo]

I Really and honestly remember you mailing me a pic of a pentium three processor and a registration for the prcessor.
I wasn't asking for you to pay any damages. Lets just leave it alone. I don't need you to do anyhting. This is already far nastier than I would like.

And if a moderator could please delete my name and all info from the board I would appreciate it

CASE CLOSED

Joe

[Mitchell]

And if a moderator could please delete my name and all info from the board I would appreciate it

Um.......no. Why would we do that?

You created the post...it backfired...it stays.

Like anything used Joe, it's buyer beware.

[Michael_Lambert]

Joe i would have to honesty say that.. that i did not send you any emails with any registrations..

Sorry..

if you need help.. I have all kinds of parts.. Im sure i can still help you out

[theo]

Just out of curiousity, why does my computer say pentium 111 main processor when I start it up. Why would it be prgramed to say something it is not
Oh and nothing backfired. The only thing I did wrong was not keep my paper work and files that were sent to me. You really dont know what went on and you dont know me. I think its really cute that your so sweet on Mike but there are two sides to every story. :devilin:

[Mitchell]

http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitchell.b/gifs/monkey.gif

[theo]

did ya read that one too

[Michael_Lambert]

Originally posted by theo
I think its really cute that your so sweet on Mike but there are two sides to every story. :devilin:

I have been nothing but Nice and Fair to you, You are the one who has come on this board and did what you did! I mean you have my MSN information, you have my Cell Number and my Email! ..

NOW if you have lost any of this.. then by all means you could have posted a Thread asking how to get in contact with me! .. did not have to post what you did! You went from saying that you are having problems to accusing me of god knows what..

YOU GUYS!! have gone and screwed up that computer big time now .. If its saying 111.. If you want to know what Processor that is.. do like instructed. and remove the fan and look at the processor.. its either on the top or bottom..


The only thing I did wrong was not keep my paper work and files that were sent to me

You also have a hard copy of the Agreement!.. Remember that paper that has your signature on it.. that outlines what kind of computer you agreed to receive.. that has ALL THE SPECS OF THE COMPUTER LISTED ON IT!

You are claiming that i ripped you off or deceived you .. When i did not.. NOW you are making these accusations with out any sort of evidence!


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I will now retract my statement of helping you .. as you seem to not care about fixing the computer but trying to harm me of some sort!..


Thanks

Michael!

[Michael_Lambert]

I would also like to post this!!!


theo (2) Trade Positive 11/19/03 great guy to deal with-honest and prompt

You all can see this in my Trader rating! .. How did i go from being honest and Prompt to cheating or acting Devilish!

[theo]

Thats fine but why would it say PENTIUM 111 main processor on the start up script. If you didnt sell it to me as that why would it say that. You said you set the machine up. AGAIN............WHY WOULD IT BE SET UP TO SAY THAT

[theo]

I posted that on your urgence and request

[Michael_Lambert]

Theo..

you went into the Cmos and Bios and messed around with things that you have no clue.. You guys changed the mulitplier god knows how to what.. More than Likey you fried the CPU ( the Pentium processor.)

When you go into the Chip configuration what are the settings at? Does it say "default" or are there numbers..

[theo]

YOU KEEP AVOIDING THE QUESTION

[Michael_Lambert]

Avoiding what Question!!!

if you are talking about this!!!!


but why would it say PENTIUM 111 main processor on the start up script

THIS is your awnser!!


you went into the Cmos and Bios and messed around with things that you have no clue.. You guys changed the mulitplier god knows how to what.. More than Likey you fried the CPU ( the Pentium processor.)

you dont program the script.. Its displays what the Mother board detects!! ..

If you fried the chip and its not reading right.. you would get screwed up Numbers.

[Michael_Lambert]

Theo,

This is what you need to do.. Open the computer up.. With it turned off.. you will see a fan it will be clipped to the board with 2 Clips.. remove the fan.. you are then going to see a Processor under it.. It will look like this.. and it will have the specs on it..

Once yo have done this.. and you post the specs on the chip.. people here can give you the correct settings you need to set the multiplier to to make it work right! .. IF it is still able to do soo!

[Michael_Lambert]

Here is the information you will need to post!

[littleprince]

First and foremost, this has gotta be one of the dumbest threads on these forums, and I vote to lock it.

Now about the situation. When buying used, it is buyer beware, it seems Mr Lambert has made an effort to try to rectify anything he can, a contract was signed, agreed upon, witnessed etcetcetc.

It is 5 months later, and it doesn't matter either. No matter you buy a new or used computer from any company such as IBM, Dell or Compaq, the minute you try to overclock you void the warranty.

Knowingly overclocking a computer without the slightest clue how to do it properly is asking for trouble. Especialy considering it sounds like it had stock cooling. A 400 -> 600 Mhz is a huge overclock for a processor like that. It doesnt matter if they sell 2ghz or whatever Celerons or P3's or whatever you guys think it is, your processor was tested to work at 400 mhz. Running it above that can cause instability, and espeicaly extra heat.

Your CPU now displays 111 mhz at boot up because thats probaly what you've now entered as the new MHz. A combination of your fsb and multiplier. That your computer even posts and can go into bios means its probaly something not too serious and if you ever figure out correct settings for your cpu it would probaly work. I'm guessing in trying to fix your errors you've set your fsb to 111, and multiplier to 1. If its the cpu I'm thinking about it, its definately wrong. Your fsb is probaly 66, and whatever 400/66 comes out too. That cpu is too old for me to remember.

[psiico]

Don't think the guys on here are sweet on Mike, he almost got banned not too long ago. I don't know him at all, never met him, never been in the chat at the same time as him, but from what I've read here I have to take his side in that you need to produce evidence that he ripped you off. I'm not sayin he did or didn't as I don't know, but you can't make accusations without evidence. "Da proof is da proof, and when you have a good proof is when it is proven."

And besides after 5 months, it's a bit late to start complaining. Lighten up and drop it.

[Mitchell]

amen

[awcrimety]

I still can't believe you can get a 100gallon setup for 300mhz pc,...I got a P2 400 kickin around,...anyone want to trade a 120g?

=)

[theo]

I'm sorry to inconvenience everyone

Mike...........The computer has said "Pentium 111 main processor" form day 1. If it hasnt, it just so happens to be miss reading to the exact processor I claim that computer was sold to me as............c'mon.

I am in no way asking you to pay for anything that may have happened or any damages that I may have caused the system. I am just upset because according to my recolection it was sold to me as having a pentium 3 processor.

As stated it has said this from day one and if it is the case that it says what it reads then I'm starting to wonder if you are really sure as to whats in there.

I am really shy about opening the system up and screwing with stuff I know nothing about. I made the mistake once and I'm not doing it again.

I am taking it in for repair on Monday it is still partially functioning, and if the prcessor I thought was there, is there I owe everyone an appologie and I have no problem issuing it. If not I'll just go away.

In any case I did get out of hand and its not normaly like me. For this I do appologise for offending anyone but we all say thngs in the heat of the moment.

joe

[Michael_Lambert]

Originally posted by awcrimety
I still can't believe you can get a 100gallon setup for 300mhz pc,...I got a P2 400 kickin around,...anyone want to trade a 120g?


Mike...........The computer has said "Pentium 111 main processor" form day 1. If it hasnt, it just so happens to be miss reading to the exact processor I claim that computer was sold to me as............c'mon

Its not reading 111 as saying its a Pentium 3 Processor.. Its reading "111" as saying thats the megahurtz its running at.



=)

Awcrimety..

there is alot more involved.. .

Tanks and stands are not as expensive used as you might think, We just picked up a 90 Gallon tank with AquaView stand and canopy for $300 in much better shape than the stand recived from theo..

there was a trade of a Much better computer than what they had and a 3.2 Megapixel Digital camera , At the time a Great one!

[littleprince]

By Pentium 111, I'm thinking it says III which would mean Pentium 3.... Not 111 mhz...

[Michael_Lambert]

Theo..

To be honest with you like i stated before in this thread.. Im not sure what CPU is in that system.. It was a long time ago.. and i have made and exchanged many computers sence then.. its all on the agreement and its just a matter of digging it up.

When you boot up the computer what it displays is what the Mother board is reading from the CPU.. unless you went in and manually changed the processing Commands.. But you can not change what type of processor it produces..

This is what my computer right now shows when it boots up... this is a Celeron processor in it.. and you can see it says so.


When your computer boots up.. it will say somthing simular.. OR .. it might say " Pentium III " but that should be followed by a Meghurtz number.. Somthing ending with MHZ. ?

[theo]

I think you pretty much stated that it was NOT a pentium..........however, it says its a pentium 111 (as in pentium 3 and not mgz) If it is a pentium three I was not delusional and I got exactly what I thought I was getting and all this was for nothing. I also claim any responsability for what might have happened by overdriving it.

[kasia]

Okay Gentlemen. I really don't understand why people would use a aquarium related web forum to argue about computer sales.
You are both grown men (I'm assuming) and take your problem elsewhere. There is phone and personal email where you can discuss things rather than arguing on the board.

Please take your problems up with eachother by phone or in person. THis really does not solve anything. Everybody is a big man behind the computer!

[reefman99]

Well put Kasia!! Enough already guys!

[Mitchell]

Done