It looks like I have a problem

[wsg55]

I have been keeping an eye on my regal tank he doesn't seem to swim around and is constantly getting cleanned by the blood shrimp well it looks as if he has a white dry skin problem I have been looking for ick white spots but this seem tiny more like specks than the pictures I have seen I now see my perc looks like he is getting something. I am going to set up a hospital tank tommorow plugging hole in it right now and get some copper for it do I just put my 2 sick looking fish in it or do all my fish now have to go into the hospital tank, have not noticed it on any other fish but my Naso has started swimming in the water column about 5 days ago don't know if this is related or not can't get good pictures but will keep trying Sean

[Reef Mike]

You got a lot of tangs in that tank... Maybe he is stressed...

Mike

[Dman]

How long have you had the regal?
Dman
:spin:

[wsg55]

2 are large 2 are small they all get along fine the blue and naso come from alot smaller tank than they are in now and have been together for a while.

3 weeks for the naso and the regal

[aquanut40]

Hello

If you can post a pic I should be able to help.. If not have a look into Amyloodinium ocellatum also and other parasitic infections Do a search and you should find some pics that may help you in determining what it is. You mentioned swimming in the water column if by this you mean that the fish has started to swim towards a return from a pump or what have you. this is a good indication that it is having problems with oxygen uptake from the water column and is trying to force more water across its gills. Which can be a sign that a parasite is attacking it's gills and you will need to move fast.



Stan

[wsg55]

Stan
OK I am leaning towards Amyloodinium ocellatum , I will do a fresh water dip and then into hospital tank but I will have the stuff for brookynella incase there is no sediment then they will get a bath between fresh water and hospital tank. do you think this is a proper course of action, and thanks for the info
Sean
sorry have not been able to get good pictures when I dip him I will try to get some

[aquanut40]

Hello

Sounds good. Just a couple of questions. In the hospitial tank are you using copper as your course of treatment. If so I suggest that you bring the copper up to the proper level slowly over a couple of days. I would strongly suggest you get a copper test. Hypo is Not a good treatment for Amyloodinium this parasite thrives in brackish water. I know this is a tang but there really is no other course of action. As for treatment of Brookynella if you intend to use any product containing formeldihyde in any form such as Formalin, remember this has several properties that can harm fish and care must be taken with its use such as a slightly lower temp and add a air stone to your dip. One other thing don't mix the two treatments in one tank (copper and formalin)

Stan

PS make sure what ever tank the fish is in it is very well oxygenated.

[wsg55]

Just to clarify I won't be mixing, fersh water, formalin bath if needed then hospital tank.. You are saying that I should get the fish into the hospital tank with a reduced copper then increase it.. not wait a couple days then add fish correct.

BTW the hospital tank is going to be 48x12x18 it has a divider in case I need to add other fish don't want them to fight in small quarters. will have lotsa oxygen might even add some pue thru the bubblers

[wsg55]

well I just got home my wife had my freshwater dip tank at the right ph and temp to see if the fish has marine velvet. I have seachem cupramine if he does as well as a copper test kit my I also have some quick cure(formalin) incase it turns out not to be Amyloodinium because then I would lean towards Brooklynellosis
As I start to set up to transfer the water to my hospital tank my wife (who took the day off to go get 50 gallons of RO) tells me Mr.Blue a.ka. regal tang has been fairly active today, I have put everything on hold because of this.

He still has hazey eyes and very light powder when you look at him but his behaviour is totally different to what it has been althou he doesn't have the spots of ich my wife had purchased "kick ich when I sent her to buy copper yesterday the guy alt the LFS had sold her this because we had coral.....

well we had it so I added this yesterday turned off the skimmer like it says(for the night anyway) I don't know if this is helping,

Sorry about the length question is ,

I know that time is very important in treatment but with the "showen improvent" should I wait and see or get back to the game plan regardless if it stresses the fish! :boohoo:

here is a picture sorry not the best at taking pictures and glass abit dirty

[wsg55]

Regal tang

[aquanut40]

Hello

It dosen't look like ich. I would stick to your game plan. Let me run this pass you. Depending on the temp of your tank and the time frame mentioned in your first post it could be the day that the parasites left the fish in large numbers to complete it's life cycle, This could be the reason for the improvement in your fish. If this is the case then the worst is yet to come. Because the parasite numbers will only increse with each generation. Its very hard for me to guide you in this decision from my living room. I wish I could be more help.

Stan

[wsg55]

Stan you are helping a great deal I am doing my homework and you are confirming my guesses we might both be wrong but at least they are educated guesses I hate that dart board thing!
I didn't want to stress this fish without good cause but the stress doesn't seem as bad as the disease if this is a temperary increase in health it will help deal with the stress, now if only I could deal with this stress....
THANKS Sean

[wsg55]

Well here is the score have remove 4 tangs regal,hippo,yellow and purple for fresh water dip then in hospital tank with the clown I was able to catch and Seachem Cupramine. the three remaining fish, midas blenny, six line wrasse and fairy wrasse just seem to quick for me! would it be ok to watch them in this tank for 20 days and if they show sighns of sickness add them to a hospital tank at that time?

[aquanut40]

Hello

Sorry but not really a good idea. These fish may never show signs of a large infestation but would be enough to keep the parasite alive and well. And once you reintroduce the fish to the tank any stress and the cycle starts all over again sorry.

Stan

[wsg55]

LOL don't be sorry you don't need to catch them I think I will wai t till morning, then I can think of the beautiful aquascaping I will be able to do Thanks again Stan I owe you a beer.
Sean

[fishmom]

Well we (wsg55 and myself) lost one clown fish and a midas blenny, but the rest of the fish seem to be doing fine. The regal tang appears to be doing fine and doesn't have the white all over it anymore, but I think it might have some brain damage. Has anyone ever had a regal tang that swam on it's back, turned summersaults, and slept laying down? Right now he is sleeping standing on his head in the hospital tank, he is breathing fine and seems to be better.

[peggy]

Fishmom,
I just came home and found this thread, so I thought I would drop a line and tell u, that Mr. Blue, has slept on his side since he was a baby. For along time he slept in an empty clam shell on his side every single night. I have never seen him turn somersaults , swim on his back or sleep on his head, but he has always done some pretty funny things. I hope he is fine, and am sorry to hear of your clown and blenny. Peggy

[wsg55]

Just wanted to update status and say Thanks again Stan I am a couple says away from finishing cupramine treatment of my fish I will start to do some water changes without adding any more cupramine to the hospital tank after about 10 days I will then reintroduce my fish to my re-acuscaped tank, I make sure that the fish can swim behind the rock as well as in front giving them lotsa room but after them being jammed into the hospital tank the display will seem like heaven( and my wife can have her kitchen back) So again thanks for helping me save my fish

[aquanut40]

Hello Sean

Your very welcome. I'm glad all YOUR hard work payed off congrats..

Stan