advice on a new computer

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i haven't bought a new computer in more than 4 years, i've just slowly been upgrading my current one but i think it's time for a new one

i was looking at this one that's on sale until tmw

any good? pros or cons? to be honest i am computer illiterate, and i will mainly use the computer for some minor gaming, web surfing and movie watching

thanks in advance



here are the specs"WebID: 10096968 Mfr. Part Number: GN703AA#ABA Processor Type (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#%20Processor%20Type%20%27%29) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 5200+ Processor Speed (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Processor%20Speed%20%27%29) 2.60GHz RAM (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#%20RAM%20%27%29) 2GB DDR2 Hard Drive (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Hard%20Drive%20%27%29) 320GB SATA 7200RPM Optical Drives (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Optical%20Drives%20%27%29) 16X Dual-Layer DVD Burner w/ LightScribe Graphics Card (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#%20Graphics%20Card%20%27%29) NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE Available Expansion Bays (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Available%20Expansion%20Bays%20%27%29) 1 x 3.5", 1 x 5.25" Available Expansion Slots (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Available%20Expansion%20Slots%20%27%29) 1 x PCI-Ex16, 1 x PCI Cache (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Cache%20%27%29) 1MB + 1MB L2 Disk Drive (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Disk%20Drive%20%27%29) No Fax/Modem (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Fax/Modem%20%27%29) 56K V.90 I/O Ports (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#I/O%20Ports%20%27%29) 6 x USB 2.0, 2 x FireWire, 15-In-1Reader Included Software MS Works 8, Roxio MyDVD Basic Monitor Included? (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Monitor%20Included?%20%27%29) No Network Card (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Network%20Card%20%27%29) 10/100Mbps Other Control Devices (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Other%20Control%20Devices%20%27%29) Keyboard, Optical Mouse Preloaded Operating System (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Preloaded%20Operating%20System%20%27%29) Windows Vista Home Premium Sound Card (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Sound%20Card%20%27%29) High Definition Audio Speakers (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Speakers%20%27%29) No System Bus (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#System%20Bus%20%27%29) 2000MHz Warranty (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:openWindow%28%27http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/glossarydisplay.asp?sku_Id=0665000FS10096968&logon=&langid=EN#Warranty%20%27%29) 1 Year Limited

[Monti]

broken link

[NanoReefaholic]

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10096968&catid=10607&logon=&langid=EN

The redirect has issues with active server pages as the 'request' gets sent to our server instead.


Anyways, this is a bit lacking imo but it also comes down to budget. Computers are forever changing and of you want this to last for the next four years you're going to need to get some specs. Just to give you a reference I upgrade every six months to keep with the current technology.

Chances are in a few years everything will move to 64 bit. I have a feeling that this is 64 bit ready but will it be able to give the real benifit of 64 bit systems. Maximum RAM is another biggie, this is something that you need to get into the motherboard specs about. Don't worry about how many memory slots it has, you can always have two 4G sticks.

The network is a bit outdated. Not really a biggie atm as your internet will only be ~16Mb/s max in todays world but the standard for networks is now 1Gb/s. If you only have one computer in the house this might not seem like a big deal but once you start using the Windows Media Centre functions be it via XBOX 360, HTPC, or a medic centre receiver the extra bandwidth come in handy.

The graphics card leaves something to be desired but for a good graphics card you could spend as much as you would for this whole unit.

All in all I'd say it's not a 'bad' system but more specs would be needed to be sure if it's worth the investment.

[in_flight]

thanks for the info, i was thinking of getting a custom setup built but i guess like reefing, i've got to do my research

any recommendations on mobo/processor combos that won't break the bank?

as for the video card, i'm not too concerned if it's not the latest and greatest i already have a 360 and soon to have a wii

[in_flight]

if it means anything here are my current computer specs which was a custom built

AMD Athlon XP 1800+ 1.53GHZ on an Asus mobo (forgot which one)
512RAM
Nvidia Gforce4 MX 440 video card
SiS 900-based PCI based fast internet adapter
SB Live 5.1 sound card

Windows XP pro which i would want to keep as my OS but am also thinking of Windows XP Media Center, definately not Vista

it does what i need it to do but when running multiple programs such as watching video's and downloading the sytem lags quite a bit

[NanoReefaholic]

Here's something quick I threw together and what you should be able to get it for;

- Asus P5K-E ~ $180
(same as the P5K-3 (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3109410&CatId=3355) but with only one LAN)

- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Processor ~ $180
(http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3241551&Sku=CP1-DUO-E6750)

- 2G's RAM ~$80

- 550W Power Supply (your old one won't power the new boards) ~$40

- GeCube Radeon HD 3870 Video Card ~$300
(Not the best but not bad and you can run Crossfire in the future http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3522895&CatId=2349)


Total = $780

You should be able to reuse your case and if you decide on a cheaper video card be sure it is min 512DDR4 RAM

[wallpaper]

I just got a Imac and wished I bought one 3 computers go.

[NanoReefaholic]

Mac's are very over rated, and easily hackable but I guess to each their own. They are a good all around but fail to shine in any one way. My mother in law bought one thinking they were immune to hackers so I hacked hers with a PDA. Maybe one day they will be the norm but atm they are too overpriced for what you really get.

[in_flight]

Here's something quick I threw together and what you should be able to get it for;

- Asus P5K-E ~ $180
(same as the P5K-3 (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3109410&CatId=3355) but with only one LAN)

- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Processor ~ $180
(http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3241551&Sku=CP1-DUO-E6750)

- 2G's RAM ~$80

- 550W Power Supply (your old one won't power the new boards) ~$40

- GeCube Radeon HD 3870 Video Card ~$300
(Not the best but not bad and you can run Crossfire in the future http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3522895&CatId=2349)


Total = $780

You should be able to reuse your case and if you decide on a cheaper video card be sure it is min 512DDR4 RAM


thanks for the tip, did some research on the board and processor and it sounds like a good combo, however the video card seems a bit overboard, i didn't know what crossfire was but with some research, found it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_CrossFire

is this type of board really necessary for my type of usage? would something like this be more sufficient? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26983&affiliateid=5887734

another question, i have 2 HD 's at the moment, 500g seagate, 300g seagate and they are both IDE not Sata, would i be able to use these or do i have to buy SATA drives? can i use the same video card i have right now for the surround sound or is another one also needed?

thanks for all your help nano!

[NanoReefaholic]

The motherboard will support two EIDE drives but if you upgrade your OS you should set up a RAID set. ATM though it will handle your current harddrives with giving you room to grow.

When you go shopping for a PSU (power supply unit) be sure to get one that has SATA power connectors. You can get adaptors but why not do it right the first time.

This motherboard has 7.1 surround sound and both digital and optical output. You won't need a sound card with this combo and I doubt you're running HDMI but rather DVI for your monitor so the video card's sound isn't going to be an issue.

The video card should work fine but the clock speed is a bit slower. I don't think you'll really notice a difference though. Here's a review on this card;

http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/diamond-viper-radeon-hd/4507-8902_7-32787485.html?tag=specs

[in_flight]

The motherboard will support two EIDE drives but if you upgrade your OS you should set up a RAID set. ATM though it will handle your current harddrives with giving you room to grow.

When you go shopping for a PSU (power supply unit) be sure to get one that has SATA power connectors. You can get adaptors but why not do it right the first time.

This motherboard has 7.1 surround sound and both digital and optical output. You won't need a sound card with this combo and I doubt you're running HDMI but rather DVI for your monitor so the video card's sound isn't going to be an issue.

The video card should work fine but the clock speed is a bit slower. I don't think you'll really notice a difference though. Here's a review on this card;

http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/diamond-viper-radeon-hd/4507-8902_7-32787485.html?tag=specs


well i'm sold on the motherboard and processor combo, specially after watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypJ9fL6hoF4. I found the mobo for $159 tax in with factory warranty from a local computer store, i'm still price comparing the processor and video card to see what prices i can get them for

another question i found this for $70, would this be better?

OCZ Platinum XTC PC2-6400 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-800 CL5-4-4-15 DDR2 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit

[smp]

Mac's are very over rated, and easily hackable but I guess to each their own. They are a good all around but fail to shine in any one way. My mother in law bought one thinking they were immune to hackers so I hacked hers with a PDA. Maybe one day they will be the norm but atm they are too overpriced for what you really get.

Fail to shine in any one way?
Easily hackable?
Please explain exactly what you mean by "hacked" with your PDA. I'm very curious. Did you connect to her wireless network?.. or root her mac? Were you able to get a rootkit running on her mac with your PDA? Is her mac a zombie on your l337 DoS grid?
Buffer overflow?

Also, I noticed you're recommending a raid setup for someone who said their primary use for a computer is web surfing, light gaming and watching movies? I think that video card is overboard too, specially for someone who has an xbox 360, what's the point?
My radeon 9000 still plays warcraft III just fine :D


Oh, and my macbook pro runs windows better than my PC at home. And yeah, I've been building them for nearly ten years now (PCs).
Macbook Pro - best computer I have ever owned, hands down. I work with laptops for a living, many PCs I might add, and this is easily the best. Maybe that's because I like OS X, but I'm not one of those people that prefers one over the other. I use windows with as much zeal. Two computers in one.

But yeah, aside from the video card recommendation and RAID I think the setup is just right. Personally, I would save money on the video card and buy a nice silent Antec case.

[smp]

Like this one:
www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013501&cid=CS.664

I think cases are the most overlooked aspect of a system build. A quiet case is priceless IMO. And for people like me, being able to work inside of it with ease is a great bonus too.


edit: grrrr
why does this site break links like that? And why does every link have to open in an AP frame? I have to click a link two times to visit a site from here, the frame thing is really aggravating and it's something unique to AP, other sites don't 'trap' you like that.

[NanoReefaholic]

I've gone over this in various threads here and elsewhere but my 'dislike' (for lack of a more appropriate postable word) of the MAC's and how overrated they are has gotten me in trouble here so I don't wish to discuss their many, many faults. Just Google hack mac and I'm sure there will be a few interesting tidbits that will come up including one quote about how the first person to hack a MAC called Windows PC's a safer and more secure unit (which I was also forced to remove from my signature, or should I say removed for me).

I'm sure I will receive enough flack for my post so please, I don't wish to discuss their faults further. So lets stay on topic.


I did suggest a RAID for a future OS upgrade, not right away. Please re read what I posted. My suggestions are not just for the current but also the future and seeing how he isn't getting the full benefit of owning a XBOX 360 and wouldn't be getting the full speed of the hardware he will own seems kinda pointless to set it up otherwise. Why wouldn't you want the most out of your hardware and set it up right the first time so it can grow with you?

It breaks because it's has a server request in it. I take it you just build computers and have no programming background? The .php and .asp are dead give aways that they are going to send a request to the server displaying the page and because there is a frame the request is sent to the AP server as it is the one displaying the page. Personally I agree and prefer a redirect page (ie, you are now leaving Aquariumpros) but Aj wants the current setup so this is how it is. You could always talk to him directly about it.

[smp]

I understand how server side applications work, doesn't mean that AP doesn't break those links. I don't build computers for a living though I do work for an IT department.
Also, MAC is a hardware address that uniquely identifies a network interface as I'm sure you know. Then there are macs ;)

It's not my place to tell AJ how to run his site, I was just griping.

Anyway, I understand what you're saying about future proofing. I think 64 bit will be the norm eventually, it has to be. But, i think that right now 64 bit is a pain in the butt. Aside from that I stand by the case recommendation as it will be one that lasts a while. I'm still running on my old Antec soho case.

And yeah, everyone is a computer expert these days, whether they code or not.
I don't know why you would bring up 'hacking' your mom's apple and then say you don't want to talk about it on this forum? I'm not offended, far from. I'm not one of those zealots or fanboys. I'm genuinely curious about what you meant. I googled but I can't find what you're talking about quickly enough and I'm lazy :)

[NanoReefaholic]

Actually we're both wrong, it is Mac :lolol:

I'm just so used to hitting shift when I type mac that it's a habit lol.

I'm just against any direct praise about Mac's without pointing their faults. Every system has a weakness, or many, and people tend to overextend their praise without either realizing or accepting this.

Perhaps 'hack mac' would be a better key phrase. Here's a article about how remote root access was obtained through the wireless drivers in ~60 seconds, link (http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2006/08/03/hack-a-mac-in-60-seconds).

Here's a link (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Mac-OS-X-hacked-under-30-minutes/0,130061744,139241748,00.htm) where a Mac was hacked in under 30min and I love the quote which is so true and left Apple speechless; "The only thing which has kept Mac OS X relatively safe up until now is the fact that the market share is significantly lower than that of Microsoft Windows or the more common UNIX platforms.… If this situation was to change, in my opinion, things could be a lot worse on Mac OS X than they currently are on other operating systems"

Here's another $10 000 winner for hacking a Mac, link (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/04/21/mac-hacked-for-10000)

Here's another link (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018138) which points out that Vista is more secure than OSX, and I love this quote; "I have found the code quality, at least in terms of security, to be much better overall in Vista than Mac OS X..."

There are a few very pro Apple people on here that I've made a point of 'correcting' them and as such have received some huge flack. I feel a recourse coming but I only wanted to point out that they are flawed yet not the core subject of this thread.

[smp]

Fair enough!
I'm not a typical Mac user :)
Not a fanboy on either side of the fence, not a hater either.
I just use computers, they are part of life. I figure I'm "multilingual", put a linux box in front of me, a windows box or a Mac and equally comfortable on all. That's the way I like it.
And yeah, for sure, every platform has it's pros and cons, nothing is perfect, life isn't perfect :)

But yeah, the Macbook Pro is a great computer, for me. I love that I can run OS X and Windows on it, I love that it's nice to look at and I love the keyboard :)
I like fast wake ups from sleep, I like expose and quartz more than I like Aero!
Anyway, peace out.

[in_flight]

Like this one:
www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013501&cid=CS.664 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=013501&cid=CS.664)

I think cases are the most overlooked aspect of a system build. A quiet case is priceless IMO. And for people like me, being able to work inside of it with ease is a great bonus too.


edit: grrrr
why does this site break links like that? And why does every link have to open in an AP frame? I have to click a link two times to visit a site from here, the frame thing is really aggravating and it's something unique to AP, other sites don't 'trap' you like that.

what's the case called steve? i was thinking about getting this case since i like that its nice and clean looking and only shows one of the bays

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2151751&Sku=ULT33137

in case the link is broken it's a
Ultra Grid ATX Mid-Tower Case with Front USB and Audio Ports and Ultra V-Series 500-Watt Power Supply



question for the both of you, would you recommend that i upgrade to vista or keep using XP

[NanoReefaholic]

To be honest the case is often overlooked but so is the CPU cooler and expandability of the case. Don't get a case that has a tunnel ram for the CPU cooler. They tend to only work if they are stock CPU coolers and IMO anything stock is too loud. Detachable faceplate with a filter is an option that isn't around too often but it helps keep dust out and IMO a good find.

You'll also want to keep the computer case cool so bigger front and rear fans, with more being better, will help you get this result. The amount of airflow you'll need really depends on your ambient temp but IME overkill is better than a error in calculations. Look for at least a dual 120mm case.

Also, you'll need to think about how many bays you'll need. If you have two DVD's plus a floppy then getting a case that only exposes one DVD dive may become a PITA real quick. You may also want to give some thought to the location of the tower and if you use the front I/O ports. If you use a thumb drive a lot and place the tower on the floor (which is a no no, it should be in a stand) then reaching down to 'guess' where the port is may become aggravating.

Personally I like open/glass sides but alot of the look is personal taste.

As for XP vs Vista, IMO unless you upgrade to Ultimate it's not worth it. There are some security features and programs in Ultimate that is missing in the lower versions. Vista has some advantages over XP with grater product support, and the soon to come lack of support from Microsoft for XP. Products have generally converted to Vista ready and if you're going to run more than 2G's of RAM I suggest a 64bit system.

I run 64bit Vista Ultimate and have yet to come across a driver issue. The key IME is to buy core components and not clones or knock off's.

[smp]

try this link:

edit: link doesn't work either. Here:
Antec P182 ATX Black Mid Tower Case

search for that at ncix.com or canadacomputers.com

bad link:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24122&vpn=P182&manufacture=ANTEC

[in_flight]

thanks nano/smp

i'll be buying each individual components over the next few weeks...vista ultimate does sound fantastic but the $200 price tag's tough to swallow, i don't think i've ever bought an os before, they were usually included with the computers i bought, this is really my 1st attempt on building my own computer

[in_flight]

well finalized all my computer components i'd like some input on them, the majority of the recommendations are from nano but after reading quite a bit of reviews and tests along with price comparisons i made some changes

Case: Ultra X-blaster with clear side panel; i liked the look and simplicity of the case along, i've removed the CPU air duct and will be installing a better cooling system for the processor

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2337812&CatId=32

$69.50 with tax

Case fans: Vantec Stealth 120mm fans x 2

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=674640&CatId=494

$41.00 with tax

Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling Silencer 610w; read great reviews about it, some of the benchmark test for stability and performance were phenomenal backed by a 5yr warranty, besides i got a great deal on it brand new with receipt from a guy who decided not to finish his build

http://www.pcpower.com/power-supply/silencer-610-eps12v.html

$95 total

Motherboard: Asus P5K-E; great reviews wide range of CPU compatibility including 45nm technology, lots of features comparable to more expensive mobo's for a reasonable price

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1655&modelmenu=1

$171 with tax


CPU: Intel Core Duo Quad processor Q6600; nice benchmarks score and even though it's of the 65nm variety still held up with some of the 45nm chips, even those $1000 cpu's

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2quad/index.htm

$295 with tax

Video Card: Sapphire ATi HD 3870; there's a bunch of Ati 3870's but further research uncovered that this one provides the best cooling out of the bunch....might consider using 2 of these video cards depending on the price i get them for but i believe 1 should be sufficient for my use

http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=198


$228 with tax retail (haven't bought yet)


Memory: Ultra Dual Channel 2048MB DDR2 667Mhz (2 x 1024MB); great results and reviews, kept coming up which was interesting but apparently more stable than the OCZ ram

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2485559&CatId=2261


$69.50 with tax


so i was hesitant about spending $550 on a new computer and i end up spending $970 and counting, i figured my current computer with minor upgrades is 7 years old the only thing that was changed was the CPU and memory 4 years ago!!! i bought the computer 2nd year university, i'm sure this will be my last upgrade for probably just as long and it still gives me the ability to change components without any problems in the future

i'll be running Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit which i haven't gotten yet so i'm thinking this is a pretty nice machine even if i want an alternative to my xbox

[NanoReefaholic]

Have you bought the RAM yet? The board will handle 8G's so 2 2G sticks will save you if you decide to max it out ( I tend to with every MB I get). The speed is a bit low as well, the board handles 1066MHz RAM (if tuned by the MB). There is also a WiFi edition that has wireless built in that usually only runs for about $10 more. Might be something to look into if you haven't already purchased it.

[in_flight]

Have you bought the RAM yet? The board will handle 8G's so 2 2G sticks will save you if you decide to max it out ( I tend to with every MB I get). The speed is a bit low as well, the board handles 1066MHz RAM (if tuned by the MB). There is also a WiFi edition that has wireless built in that usually only runs for about $10 more. Might be something to look into if you haven't already purchased it.

yes i bought it already but i can get an exchange

do you have a link of the items you are talking about?

[NanoReefaholic]

Seems everywhere that I can think of that'd have a site link (ie doesn't go by true market value) is pushing the 1G versions. There is 2G (and 4G or more) sticks out but it would seem you need a real computer shop to get them for you.

Here's the WiFi version;
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1655&modelmenu=1

[in_flight]

Seems everywhere that I can think of that'd have a site link (ie doesn't go by true market value) is pushing the 1G versions. There is 2G (and 4G or more) sticks out but it would seem you need a real computer shop to get them for you.

Here's the WiFi version;
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1655&modelmenu=1

sorry, i didn't add it on, i do have the wifi version of the mobo

[Monti]

i'll be running Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit which i haven't gotten yet so i'm thinking this is a pretty nice machine even if i want an alternative to my xbox

It's in the mail. :hi1:

[in_flight]

i'll be running Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit which i haven't gotten yet so i'm thinking this is a pretty nice machine even if i want an alternative to my xbox

It's in the mail. :hi1:

thanks alot

[in_flight]

ok well i had enough waiting to get a deal on the video card and ordered my HD3870 video card yesterday and i should have it by tomorrow.that's the last component for my computer. i also changed my ram i'll be using the 4gig Adata kit which i've read really good reviews about it and they're cheaper to boot $90 for 4g's

now im still a little leary about upgrading to vista, more specifically the 64bit version due to possible system limitations

i'm hoping nano and monti can help me out here as you both use the 64bit ultimate version right now. have you guys had any issues with incompatible drivers or issues with 3rd party apps?

i just read this article which is a little outdated but had a good comparison between the differences between 32bit and 64bit OS
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_ff_x64.asp


here's a list of some programs that i like using and would not like to lose

Audacity - creating ringtones for my cell phones
Azureus - torrents
BS player - video player that allows for subtitles
convertxtodvd - burn .avi to very good quality dvd's
limewire
VLC - video player
Winrar archives
Clone DVD
PSP Video 9 - reformat movies so i can watch them on my PSP and ipod/iphone
itunes

thanks in advance

[NanoReefaholic]

The ONLY issue that I have running 64bit Vista is that those :tape: over at Adobe can't get their :tape: together and finally release their 64bit version of flash for. Vista 64bit has a 32bit version if IE which flash works fine on and Fx runs just as well as a 32bit system but neither run as fast as IE 64bit, which makes this a shame :angry:

Just reading upgrade I should point out that you cannot upgrade a 32bit XP to a 64bit Vista. It has to be a 64bit to a 64bit or a fresh install. If you're going to upgrade the OS you currently have and it's 32bit you'll need a full version to go 64bit, and even then the ultimate is the only one worth getting.

µTorrent has less crashes and an easier GUI, may be worth the switch.

Limewire needs to die, it's a 'hack me' sign.

Ditch the PSP Video 9 and get Fox PSP Video converter, a much better proggy. You can also get the Fox Video converter and convert anything to anything.

Also look into virtualdub (http://virtualdub.sourceforge.net/). This proggy will allow you to combine two AVI's into one.

Ditch the BS Player and either run Nero or better yet just install the K-Lite Codec pack (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_lite_codec_pack.htm) and you can run the video's (including AVI's) on windows media player.

[Monti]

I had a compatibility issue with my Adobe as well. Vista would not take my old program. In the final analyse, I only used it to read Adobe files and to convert word docs into pdf's. so I tossed out my Adobe Pro and loaded the free Adobe reader and a copy of Cutepdf. After that, Adobe can smooch my fuzzy peach.

I did have to upgrade a lot of drivers when I first installed Vista. My video, audio and printers all needed online support for a few days till I got it set up properly.

Sorry, can't say much about the compatibility of your programs, I don't use them. but as I recall, there is an online vista preparedness program somewhere that will tell you what your system needs or loses when vista goes in.

Of course you need an OS online to get it...

HTH
Monti

[NanoReefaholic]

IME the driver issue was really with old hardware. New hardware already has the updated versions so there shouldn't be a problem building a rig at this point. As for the printer and what not that may be a different story. The printer will still work but some features such as OCR may not. If you're just using it as a printer/scanner/whatever and not getting fancy than the native Vista drivers will work.

Some have told me that they have noticed a better print quality but that may just be in their head. You can always go to the manufacturer's download section and see if they have vista drivers. If they do then when Vista installs it should find them.

Alot of the problems that people have heard is with the first release but they have been patched for the most part. We're also running Vista SP1 so any old posts will be very much out of date.

[in_flight]

The ONLY issue that I have running 64bit Vista is that those :tape: over at Adobe can't get their :tape: together and finally release their 64bit version of flash for. Vista 64bit has a 32bit version if IE which flash works fine on and Fx runs just as well as a 32bit system but neither run as fast as IE 64bit, which makes this a shame :angry:

Just reading upgrade I should point out that you cannot upgrade a 32bit XP to a 64bit Vista. It has to be a 64bit to a 64bit or a fresh install. If you're going to upgrade the OS you currently have and it's 32bit you'll need a full version to go 64bit, and even then the ultimate is the only one worth getting.

µTorrent has less crashes and an easier GUI, may be worth the switch.

Limewire needs to die, it's a 'hack me' sign.

Ditch the PSP Video 9 and get Fox PSP Video converter, a much better proggy. You can also get the Fox Video converter and convert anything to anything.

Also look into virtualdub (http://virtualdub.sourceforge.net/). This proggy will allow you to combine two AVI's into one.

Ditch the BS Player and either run Nero or better yet just install the K-Lite Codec pack (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_lite_codec_pack.htm) and you can run the video's (including AVI's) on windows media player.


thanks, i'll check those out, i've always like using limewire single titles rather than full albums

this is a fresh install for my new computer, i'll be handing over my old computer for my daughter to use


I had a compatibility issue with my Adobe as well. Vista would not take my old program. In the final analyse, I only used it to read Adobe files and to convert word docs into pdf's. so I tossed out my Adobe Pro and loaded the free Adobe reader and a copy of Cutepdf. After that, Adobe can smooch my fuzzy peach.

I did have to upgrade a lot of drivers when I first installed Vista. My video, audio and printers all needed online support for a few days till I got it set up properly.

Sorry, can't say much about the compatibility of your programs, I don't use them. but as I recall, there is an online vista preparedness program somewhere that will tell you what your system needs or loses when vista goes in.

Of course you need an OS online to get it...

HTH
Monti

i'll try to find that vista preparedness site somewhere, do you also have the Vista SP1?

[Monti]

Try this...

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=42b5ac83-c24f-4863-a389-3ffc194924f8&DisplayLang=en

You will need to copy & paste the link to get there. Or search for the "Vista update adviser."
It is a Download from the vista home page.

[chudly]

Being as i needed to buy a new computer as my daughter spilled tea in my not so old laptop(less than a year old) Best Buy had a fairly decent deal on a Sony for $599. I had to upgrade the GiGs but that was only $30. The sale is still on i think but i got the last one in London I know that. I'm not much of a computer person but this is going to be my back up computer until we fix are good one if possible.

Just letting every one know.

LOL:thumbsup:

[in_flight]

Try this...

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=42b5ac83-c24f-4863-a389-3ffc194924f8&DisplayLang=en

You will need to copy & paste the link to get there. Or search for the "Vista update adviser."
It is a Download from the vista home page.

thanks


Being as i needed to buy a new computer as my daughter spilled tea in my not so old laptop(less than a year old) Best Buy had a fairly decent deal on a Sony for $599. I had to upgrade the GiGs but that was only $30. The sale is still on i think but i got the last one in London I know that. I'm not much of a computer person but this is going to be my back up computer until we fix are good one if possible.

Just letting every one know.

LOL:thumbsup:

i saw that, the case was pretty cool looking and my wife currently has a 3 yr old vaio that she likes, i'm not much of a laptop fan, in my student days but now my computing is done in my home office or at work

[Monti]

So? How did you make out?

[in_flight]

So? How did you make out?


got some time to put the computer together, was a little hesistant about using 2x2gb sticks since it wasn't on the motherboard's QVL list but after talking to the guys at the computer shop i ended up using it and it is working with no issues

i'm having problem updating the bios since for some reason the asus update via internet option doesn't seem to be working

Vista 64 ultimate installed and works like a charm no issues whatsoever, i beleive it installed 74 updates which took quite a while so i left it running

i got a 5.1 on the Vista performance index which i guess is ok, everything was 5.9 except for the memory for some reason but the video card/processor/mobo received great marks

still deciding on what antivirus software to use so i haven't done much internet surfing/downloading except for the updates and such

the only other issue i'm having right now is to get the case fans to work which concerns me a little since the mobo only has 1 4 pin outlet for the CPU fan and when i install the 2 case fans and the CPU none of them works at full speed. i'm still working it out

thanks to the both of you for all the help

[NanoReefaholic]

Open your manual and look at page 2-3 (2.2.3 pic) there is one CPU fan, one rear case fan, and three front case fans. You can have a CPU and four fans installed on their own connection and all are BOIS monitored for speed.


edit, forgot the link;

http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/technicaldocuments_content.aspx?no=714

The update program that came with the MB is more than likely outdated.

As for AV's Bitdefender has intergeneration into Vista 64bit. There are a few other good AV's as well but the GUI on Bitdefender is generally easier for most users.

[in_flight]

Open your manual and look at page 2-3 (2.2.3 pic) there is one CPU fan, one rear case fan, and three front case fans. You can have a CPU and four fans installed on their own connection and all are BOIS monitored for speed.


edit, forgot the link;

http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/technicaldocuments_content.aspx?no=714

The update program that came with the MB is more than likely outdated.

As for AV's Bitdefender has intergeneration into Vista 64bit. There are a few other good AV's as well but the GUI on Bitdefender is generally easier for most users.

yeah the 4 case fan connections are 3 pin and my fans are of the 4 pin variety which is PWM compliant which the motherboard supports

here's the FAQ http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5K-E/WiFi-AP

i think i will be able to resolve this problem when i'm able to update the motherboard. i'm just going to download it to a bootable usb and do it that way rather than online. this might solve the issue


for the virus i was leaning towards Symantec since i get it free through work but i'll look into bitdefender

[NanoReefaholic]

Ummm... symantec (or anything from bell for that matter) will make your system crawl. They take up way to many cycles and miss most stuff.

BTW one of my rigs has the same board ;) I'm running Arctic Cooling (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=111) case fans just because of their rubber posts (no vibration transfer), but only have three pins.

[NanoReefaholic]

Read page 2-30. Only the CPU fan is PWM capable.

[in_flight]

Read page 2-30. Only the CPU fan is PWM capable.

yeah, that's the only mobo pin that will allow pwm that's why my case fans have to be run parallel with the cpu fan


Ummm... symantec (or anything from bell for that matter) will make your system crawl. They take up way to many cycles and miss most stuff.

BTW one of my rigs has the same board ;) I'm running Arctic Cooling (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=111) case fans just because of their rubber posts (no vibration transfer), but only have three pins.

it's true symantec did slow down my old computer quite a bit the rtvscan takes up a chunk of the ram at all times, good point, i'll definately look at the bitdefender


you probably have the arctic cooling 12L model fans http://www.arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=101

which only come with the 3 pin connector for the mob because they are not PWM capable, i have these arctic cooling 12PWM which comes with the 3 pin for mobo controllability AND the 4 pin connector for PWM capability

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=111

[frankthetank]

Which games are you looking to play? I could better help with your choice of video cards. Can't go wrong with the Nvidia 8800Gt. I still can't play Flight simulator X on high graphics, but every other game I can play on full graphics.

A really good store is Canada computers. They can build it for you for the best price. They have a couple of stores. http://www.canadacomputers.com/

[NanoReefaholic]

I've placed the 4 pin on a three before, think I jumped it though... can't remember. You shouldn't use the CPU port for both fans, and it kinda defeats the whole PWM bit altogether. You could also slow down the CPU cooler (which I hope isn't stock, loud as hell) and fry the chip, or the rail. Remember there's a reason for PWM in the first place ;)

Actually my 12 model isn't listed... huh.

[in_flight]

I've placed the 4 pin on a three before, think I jumped it though... can't remember. You shouldn't use the CPU port for both fans, and it kinda defeats the whole PWM bit altogether. You could also slow down the CPU cooler (which I hope isn't stock, loud as hell) and fry the chip, or the rail. Remember there's a reason for PWM in the first place ;)

Actually my 12 model isn't listed... huh.
Finally got it to work! Uploaded the new bios and installed now the motherboard's Qfan chassis function works-I am able to monitor the CPU fan and the 2 fans currently the are running and fully functioning i am using the Asus probe program to monitor CPU and mobo temps along with the CPU fan and 2case fan rpms. These fans are nice and quiet which are nice at this time I'm still using the stock Cpu fan I'll be picking up freezer pro 7 sometime next week

These fans shouldn't affect the CPU fan because the 4 pin connector that attaches to the CPU fan is probably only for the power they come with both the 3 & 4 pin connectors the 3 pin are connected to the mobo's case fan inputs

Which games are you looking to play? I could better help with your choice of video cards. Can't go wrong with the Nvidia 8800Gt. I still can't play Flight simulator X on high graphics, but every other game I can play on full graphics.

A really good store is Canada computers. They can build it for you for the best price. They have a couple of stores. http://www.canadacomputers.com/

LOL I know about Canada computers and truthfully their prices aren't very good and their staff aren't any better at least at the Kennedy location. when you ask them a question I get the feeling that they think you're stupid or something, besides the computer has been bought and assembled already and I probaly did a better job than them since I took my time and was no rush and was probaly more careful with the components

[frankthetank]

LOL I know about Canada computers and truthfully their prices aren't very good and their staff aren't any better at least at the Kennedy location. when you ask them a question I get the feeling that they think you're stupid or something, besides the computer has been bought and assembled already and I probaly did a better job than them since I took my time and was no rush and was probaly more careful with the components

Thats not the one I go too, and it doesn't sound like a very location. I hate when the staff are a bunch of ~censored~ . I'm glad your done you can get gaming sooner.:woohoo:
If you get any of the Battlefield games let me know. :guns: or CoD4

[in_flight]

LOL I know about Canada computers and truthfully their prices aren't very good and their staff aren't any better at least at the Kennedy location. when you ask them a question I get the feeling that they think you're stupid or something, besides the computer has been bought and assembled already and I probaly did a better job than them since I took my time and was no rush and was probaly more careful with the components

Thats not the one I go too, and it doesn't sound like a very location. I hate when the staff are a bunch of ~censored~ . I'm glad your done you can get gaming sooner.:woohoo:
If you get any of the Battlefield games let me know. :guns: or CoD4


lol like i said i won't be using this computer for gaming but if you've got an xbox i'd be more than happy to play COD4 with you, i'm a level 4 prestige

[in_flight]

well it seems that Bitdefender is reasonably priced for a 3computer/2yr subscription but reviews are saying that it is also a resource hog just like symantec, although their scan and protection are very, very good. there seems to be a compatibility issue with vista also which i would like to avoid

i've been doing alot of reading on the nod32 and kaspersky and am leaning towards kaspersky

any of you guys have any experience with these 2? i was thinking of downloading the trial but i hate adding/removing programs

i was going to apply for the switch program, the 2 yr license is pretty reasonably price imo and since i am running a legitimate virus scanner now i should be eligible for it

http://www.kaspersky.com/switch

[NanoReefaholic]

Huh, bitdefender has a compatibly issue? I'm running it on the rig that has the same mobo with Vista Ultimate SP1 64Bit. Never even noticed it running except at startup, but that's minor. No where even close to Symantic... then again is anything that bad?

I also have a rig with Vista Premium 64Bit with Kaspersky but it misses many port scans and isn't integrated like Bitdefender is. It also doesn't have as good of a positive or as few false positives as Bitdefender.

NOD32 doesn't cover P2P or a few other things that may be of interest, especially updates!

Here's one review,

http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

[frankthetank]

I also run bitdefender. Very good anti-virus program. They give you 3 keys, and 2 years of updates in the price. It runs very clean too, Doesn't slow you down. Also has a game mode. I recommend it.

[Monti]

well it seems that Bitdefender is reasonably priced for a 3computer/2yr subscription but reviews are saying that it is also a resource hog just like symantec, although their scan and protection are very, very good. there seems to be a compatibility issue with vista also which i would like to avoid

i've been doing alot of reading on the nod32 and kaspersky and am leaning towards kaspersky

any of you guys have any experience with these 2? i was thinking of downloading the trial but i hate adding/removing programs

i was going to apply for the switch program, the 2 yr license is pretty reasonably price imo and since i am running a legitimate virus scanner now i should be eligible for it

http://www.kaspersky.com/switch

Did you run into any other compatibility issues?

[in_flight]

Huh, bitdefender has a compatibly issue? I'm running it on the rig that has the same mobo with Vista Ultimate SP1 64Bit. Never even noticed it running except at startup, but that's minor. No where even close to Symantic... then again is anything that bad?

I also have a rig with Vista Premium 64Bit with Kaspersky but it misses many port scans and isn't integrated like Bitdefender is. It also doesn't have as good of a positive or as few false positives as Bitdefender.

NOD32 doesn't cover P2P or a few other things that may be of interest, especially updates!

Here's one review,

http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

i double checked the dates on the reports i read and they were early 2007 before the bitdefender compatibility update came out so that's probably why there are no longer any issues

very good point on the p2p and open ports since i do use torrents and may still be using limewire. i knew nod32 didn't have it that's why i was leaning towards kaspersky

i use antivir on my wife's laptop and symantec on my old computer

have you seen this report? this is one of the main reasons why i was hesitant about bitdefender, it's performance seemed to be a little average to me, and it had higher false positives than kaspersky and nod 32

http://www.av-comparatives.org/


I also run bitdefender. Very good anti-virus program. They give you 3 keys, and 2 years of updates in the price. It runs very clean too, Doesn't slow you down. Also has a game mode. I recommend it.

thanks for the input, always good to have multiple opinions



well it seems that Bitdefender is reasonably priced for a 3computer/2yr subscription but reviews are saying that it is also a resource hog just like symantec, although their scan and protection are very, very good. there seems to be a compatibility issue with vista also which i would like to avoid

i've been doing alot of reading on the nod32 and kaspersky and am leaning towards kaspersky

any of you guys have any experience with these 2? i was thinking of downloading the trial but i hate adding/removing programs

i was going to apply for the switch program, the 2 yr license is pretty reasonably price imo and since i am running a legitimate virus scanner now i should be eligible for it

http://www.kaspersky.com/switch

Did you run into any other compatibility issues?
no but i haven't installed anything except for itunes and windows messenger. i also don't have an AV yet and so am hesitant to use the internet until i install one


another question do you guys use additional spyware programs such as spybot/SAS?

i have spybot on the laptop and desktop

how do you guys like the built in vista firewall?

[NanoReefaholic]

Vista has a firewall... :confused1

LoL, na you'll want to disable that. Running two firewalls 'can' be an issue with some programs but if you get bitdefender internet security 2008 (http://www.bitdefender.com/PRODUCT-2195-en--BitDefender-Internet-Security-2008.html) it'll have a firewall for you. Your router should also have a firewall and to be honest having a hardware firewall and the AV firewall you should be golden.

I've seen that 'report' before, very outdated. Heck they're using XP and last years AV engine, but even still Bitdefender has almost twice the virus record list.

[in_flight]

Vista has a firewall... :confused1

LoL, na you'll want to disable that. Running two firewalls 'can' be an issue with some programs but if you get bitdefender internet security 2008 (http://www.bitdefender.com/PRODUCT-2195-en--BitDefender-Internet-Security-2008.html) it'll have a firewall for you. Your router should also have a firewall and to be honest having a hardware firewall and the AV firewall you should be golden.

I've seen that 'report' before, very outdated. Heck they're using XP and last years AV engine, but even still Bitdefender has almost twice the virus record list.
what should i disable? spybot? i'll try out bitdefender just have to find a retailer who sells it rather than buying online, i'll also dl the 30 day free trial of BIS to review

[Monti]

i haven't installed anything except for itunes and windows messenger. i also don't have an AV yet and so am hesitant to use the internet until i install one


another question do you guys use additional spyware programs such as spybot/SAS?

i have spybot on the laptop and desktop

how do you guys like the built in vista firewall?

I run something called Avast! as an antiviral program at home. It is free for home use and updates itself. It works for me so far.

As for the vista firewall...It is a pain while you are setting everything up and slows you down when you want to get stuff in or out, but once the software is set, it's not too bad.

[in_flight]

great just when i upgrade to vista, it looks like it will be obsolete alot sooner than what most people thought

http://www.rlslog.net/rumours-microsoft-windows-7-in-2009/

any thoughts?

[NanoReefaholic]

I've read it and it doesn't surprise me at all. Vista is getting old (for OS's) but I'd wait and see if it actually comes through on that time frame.

[in_flight]

Ummm... symantec (or anything from bell for that matter) will make your system crawl. They take up way to many cycles and miss most stuff.

BTW one of my rigs has the same board ;) I'm running Arctic Cooling (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=111) case fans just because of their rubber posts (no vibration transfer), but only have three pins.

did you have any problems running wifi solo ap? i can't seem to get the wifi working, i installed the program from the mobo disc and in my networks screen it has a very weak signal and neither my iphone or my wife's laptop can find the connection

ive contacted asus about it and received a case # since the rep who was helping me wasn't too familiar with the board, the fact that he told me that the wifi function of the board is to receive signals and not to actually broadcast wifi leaves me a little skeptical of their assistance at this point

[NanoReefaholic]

Are you running the wifi in station mode or in access point mode? Station mode will allow you to use the boards wifi to connect to a wifi access point where as in access point mode you are using the boards wifi to share its internet connection (ICS). Don't forget that you need to enable the program when you boot up (task bar, windows blocks some programs upon startup).

[in_flight]

Are you running the wifi in station mode or in access point mode? Station mode will allow you to use the boards wifi to connect to a wifi access point where as in access point mode you are using the boards wifi to share its internet connection (ICS). Don't forget that you need to enable the program when you boot up (task bar, windows blocks some programs upon startup).


Access point, my computer is hardwired to my modem, i currently have bell hi speed.

yeah, everytime i start windows it asks me to enable asus wtlan or something or other which i do, the laptop and the iphone pick up the connection and it accepts the password but for some reason whenever i try to access the net it can't find the host

[NanoReefaholic]

Do they connect at all (you'd see the MAC pop up in the AP manager)? Does the time on the motherboard reset itself? Have you set the key and SSID? It's more than likely in the settings, I just tried it out on a remote computer and no issues here.

[NanoReefaholic]

Almost forgot, do you have a wifi router? If you try to connect to the router AP and can't there could be an issue with the hardware.



my networks screen it has a very weak signal

I don't mean to question you but this makes me think you may have it in station mode as that's the only way you'd see a signal in network and sharing centre.

[in_flight]

Do they connect at all (you'd see the MAC pop up in the AP manager)? Does the time on the motherboard reset itself? Have you set the key and SSID? It's more than likely in the settings, I just tried it out on a remote computer and no issues here.i dont think they connect at all, the Asus solo screen doesn't show any activity whatsoever. i have set the key and SSID when i initially installed Solo


Almost forgot, do you have a wifi router? If you try to connect to the router AP and can't there could be an issue with the hardware.



my networks screen it has a very weak signal

I don't mean to question you but this makes me think you may have it in station mode as that's the only way you'd see a signal in network and sharing centre.yeah, i have the Bell router which has wifi and i can connect to that no problem

no it's in access point mode, there is an option to switch it to station mode on AP solo but i haven't initiated that

[NanoReefaholic]

Ok then if it's not hardware then more than likely it's a key issue. If you scan for your ASUS AP and can see it you should also notice on the ASUS AP screen that a device has connected, or atleast it'll show you the MAC as it tries to connect. If you're not seeing the MAC pop up then there is a chance that you're not connecting to that AP but rather someone else's. Renaming the AP to something odd will ensure that you're getting yours and not someone else with the same name.

If you really are trying to connect to just your AP then there is a chance that you have the wrong SSID in the device trying to connect. Even with the wrong key if the SSID is right you'll still see the MAC as the two communicate and exchange key info.

[in_flight]

Ok then if it's not hardware then more than likely it's a key issue. If you scan for your ASUS AP and can see it you should also notice on the ASUS AP screen that a device has connected, or atleast it'll show you the MAC as it tries to connect. If you're not seeing the MAC pop up then there is a chance that you're not connecting to that AP but rather someone else's. Renaming the AP to something odd will ensure that you're getting yours and not someone else with the same name.

If you really are trying to connect to just your AP then there is a chance that you have the wrong SSID in the device trying to connect. Even with the wrong key if the SSID is right you'll still see the MAC as the two communicate and exchange key info.

i've got a pretty unique name

the setup is as follows

Profile Name:Access Point Mode
Network Name (SSID) Mark_PC_Wifi
Infrastructure (this is highlighted)
Channel---AUTO
Network authentification: Shared Key
Data encryption:WEP
ASCII
Key Length: 128bit
Key Index 1


i can't figure it out i have quadrupled check to make sure that i'm inputting the right Network key which is the password

The network monitor shows the connection
AID:1
MAC Address: 00:1E:C2:CC:4B:E2
Lifetime:19:51

i'm at a loss here and asus hasn't contacted me yet :(

neither the laptop or the iphone can connect. i was using the wifi at work with my iphone today with no issues so it's not the iphone or the laptop, and i can connect to my regular bell wifi

[in_flight]

i think i found a possible issue, just for kicks i pressed the ICS button to connect and a windows pop up window appeared

WINDOWS HAS DETECTED AN IP ADDRESS CONFLICT

it appears that another computer is using the same IP address as this one

how would i resolve that?