Have you ever heard of Pi Water???

[ajx22]

??????????

If not...you HAVE to check out the link I put on the LINKS (http://www.aquariumpros.ca/links.html) page.


"This is the ABSOLUTE best water product on the market ANYWHERE in the world! Even if you're using RO/DI water...this is a major improvement. RO/DI water is NOT good to drink! This water not only IS safe to drink...it can help your body MEDICALLY!!!"

Do you believe that a Goldfish was kept ALIVE in a AIRTIGHT SEALED container for 216 days using this hi-tech water??? :idk:

Check out the link! You'll be glad you did!!!

http://www.aquariumpros.ca/pimagfilter.jpg

We will be doing some private internal testing on our reef tanks...we will post the results as soon as they are in!!!

Good Reefing!!!

[ajx22]

^^^^^UP^^^^^

[Troy F]

Wow, it cures cancer and can keep our marine fish alive in fresh water! But wait...there's more! C'mon, gimme a break. I checked out the page and never actually found out what Pi is. Sounds like BS to me, I'd love to see some proofs of this other than the manufacturer's claims.

[Jamie Cross]

Troy, don't be so negitive this could save me lots on salt.:eyesspin:

[StirCrazy]

"Do you believe that a Goldfish was kept ALIVE in a AIRTIGHT SEALED container for 216 days using this hi-tech water?"

nope I don't cuze the gold fish would have dies from lack of O2 long befor then.. like in maby a few days..

Steve

[christyf5]

My favorite part is where they have the photos showing the energy just -radiating- off the water droplet. Thats absolutely fascinating. Just like on TV when they show the ebola virus under a normal light microscope. Stuff like this cracks me up. I wonder how many goldfish they had to go through to get the one that lived for 216 days. Is that in goldfish years??

Christy :)

[ajx22]

This is actually factual information. The company's name is Nikken and they have developed a water filtration system that is unbelievable using filters and magnetic technologies.

I have 3 ulcers, and since I have started to drink this water, my ulcers have stopped acting up all together!! There have been non-commercial endorsements from numerous professional sports teams, as well as the Red Cross due to the filters ability to filter out 99.9% of e-coli bacteria and other harmful bacteria. With their water bottles, you can actually drink from contaminated water sources!!!

If anyone has any specific questions...please let me know and I will present them to the companies R&D department. I have been using this water for my personal use for the past year, but have not used it in my aquariums yet.

Despite sounding "too good to be true"...it is real and has been renowned as one of the greatest products to be developed in a very long time. I'm not a product expert...I just know what I have witnessed personally...and this company does NOT make false claims!

I will be doing some internal testing...and will post the results!

As for the goldfish...it WAS done!! This company has developed a way to alter the molecular form of water...thus 'charging' the water.

I don't understand it completely...just have witnessed some pretty amazing things.

I will start the testing soon, and will post the results!!

[Troy F]

Are you selling this product? If so, I'd say any observational reports from you would be a little bit biased. How do you know they kept a goldfish alive for that amount of time?

[ReefJunkie]

OK so let me get this straight, you are saying the goldfish lived for 216 days without any food? If so I have a experiment for you, stop eating immediately and drink nothing but Pi Water and see how long you live!

Has this product been FDA approved? Does it have any support from any Well know laboratories, Universities, etc?

Scott

[ajx22]

Originally posted by Troy F
Are you selling this product? If so, I'd say any observational reports from you would be a little bit biased. How do you know they kept a goldfish alive for that amount of time?

Troy F

I can understand your point , but I would like to make one thing clear. I (AquariumPros) will not and do not endorse ANY product that we don't 100% believe in. I have been contacted by many companies to carry their products. Some we have added to our lists and do carry, and many more we will not carry as we won't use them in our tanks (which companies I will not name). There are enough GOOD products out there that I do not need to loose respect (not to mention money) promoting a BS product.

As to the Pi Water product:
I was just introduced to this product/company by the president of the computer firm that I also do work for. I do have access to the product to sell, but the reason I posted this here was to find out IF anyone here had experience using it for aquarium use personally. I do use the water for my personal drinking, and have done some research into the company.

Nikken, the company that manufactures this product is one of the LARGEST and most respected companies in the world with over 25 years of history + $1.5 billion US in annual sales + a 5A1 rating by Dun & Bradstreet. Companies of this size don't post such false claims to their products as the lawsuits would not be worth the sales the claims generated.

I have not PERSONALLY seen these tests with my own eyes...but I am going to conduct my own tests to see for myself. I have however seen the reaction from numerous people who have used the water for personal drinking water as well as the endorsements from very impressive sources.

Feel free to look into the company, and post any information you find. In the interim...I will do some testing and post the ACTUAL results - whether they support the products use or not!

See the following post to Scott for further information on the technologies involved.

Regards,

[ajx22]

Originally posted by ReefJunkie
OK so let me get this straight, you are saying the goldfish lived for 216 days without any food? If so I have a experiment for you, stop eating immediately and drink nothing but Pi Water and see how long you live!

Has this product been FDA approved? Does it have any support from any Well know laboratories, Universities, etc?

Scott

I am in no way an expert...but from my BASIC understanding of this very complex technology...the water is 'charged' in a way that actually 'feeds'. I know that this isn't the correct way to explain this and I will see if I can track down a few 'experts' to assist me in a proper explanation. Click here for some more 'technical information and explanations (http://www.healthandwealth.ca/resources/documents/PR-PiMag.PDF) And here... (http://www.healthandwealth.ca/resources/documents/ADV-PiMag.PDF)

The product has been FDA & CSA approved and has been marketed in Asia for numerous years. You can read more about it's endorsements and other information here:
http://office.nikken.com/cgi-bin/myProductsUS/cap.cgi?product=feature&session=3c1dd0977f2044c5&cart_id=3570225_32544

All PiMag products are certified by:
Water Quality Association (http://www.wqa.org/)
Environmental Protection Agency (http://www.epa.gov/)
National Sanitation Foundation (http://www.nsf.org/)
NSF Test Results (http://www.healthandwealth.ca/resources/documents/nsf.pdf)



I invite you to research this company and product and let me know what you discover. I am in no way saying that this is the cure all for every problem...but if (and I do say IF) the claims that are made are true...then putting 'dead' water into our aquariums may be just as bad as drinking it ourselves (as it's known that RO water is NOT good to drink as it has none of the needed minerals, etc.).

Click here for an independant write-up on the water and water properties in general. (http://www.real-water.com/)

I look forward to any researched information you may find.

It’s also interesting to do a search on Lourdes, France. Along with Sedona, Arizona, Lourdes apparently has the highest magnetic field rating on earth. The water at Lourdes is known for its healing properties.

Here is a 'quote' found on http://www.real-water.com/rwater.html below regarding "living water".


QUOTE:
For most of us water is just water, and if there is a difference, it is taste related or measured by bacteriological or chemical contamination. Even good tasting, chemically pure water can be, and usually is, DEAD water. The definition of Real Water takes these factors into account, and goes a step further. Real Water is active. It is alive. Whereas dead water is incapable of participating in physiological functions of living organisms, Real Water is active in all phases of life.

Your body is 70% water, but what really makes it work are the organic molecules like DNA, RNA, enzymes, proteins, polypeptides immersed in a sea of water. Imagine the results if your DNA molecules were allowed to crosslink or mutate. Murrethev's book Live Water , refers to research carried out in the Soviet Union which shows the existence of a magnetic field generated by the DNA molecule. Through a series of deductions, it seems clear that even if you drink dead water, your body will bring it alive and make Real Water. Once the body has produced Real Water, it uses it to perpetuate the generation of a protective magnetic field to assure proper macromolecular function AND to make more Real Water. This process seems to be as close as we will ever get to a perpetual activity.

How does water obtain its energy? In Nature there are several ways, but they all have the same common denominator... the solar energy spectrum. Solar energy influences gravity, motion, heat, natural magnetic fields, and just about all universally occurring physical phenomena. Water obtains its energy from all of these sources and from secondary sources like life forms..."

Regards,

[kasia]

Everyone has such negative things to say about this product. There are many things on the market that people are purchasing in hopes of wellness. I am a very open person and will believe anything if it is proven to be true. This is not just an over night discovery and people have been relying on this product for years. It seems too good to be true but so does everything else. At least this product is for REAL....... Why is it so easy to believe we put a man on the moon, but it hard to believe a goldfish would survive in this water without 0xygen??? Kinda makes you think.....:sad: :bfish:

[nigel]

In grade 6 , the class kept a goldfish in an airtight jar for the school year . One plant ,gravel and goldfish. Water from the tap

[Troy F]

Originally posted by nigel
In grade 6 , the class kept a goldfish in an airtight jar for the school year . One plant ,gravel and goldfish. Water from the tap

Why? Did the gold fish kill someone or commit some other heinous crime? :D


A.J.;

That the product is a good filter is of no real concern to me, though it is good, lots of products can do this. One of your sponsors does a formidable job purifying water. What is utterly ridiculous are the claims. Company press releases are not going to convince me. Power words and pseudo-scientific jargon won't do the trick either. I followed the links you provided and was unimpressed though almost as amused as I was when I first read about the product.

[ajx22]

Troy F

That's all good. The purpose of this post was more to see if anyone had heard or used this product before in respect to the aquarium industry.

I have the product and I am impressed with it so far. My RO/DI unit makes water but in turn I get 1 gallon of useable water for every 3-4 gallons of waste water. This filter doesn't waste anywhere near that much and is seemingly producing a better product.

I'm sure that the initial responses to RO/DI water, wet/dry filters and the list goes on were the same too.

As I said...controlled testing will begin very soon to see whether the claims are valid.

If anyone is interested...do a search for "Pi Water" using Google.com or Click Here (http://www.google.com/search?q=pi+water)

Any further researched information would be appreciated!

Ciao,

[Troy F]

Originally posted by ajx22
I'm sure that the initial responses to RO/DI water, wet/dry filters and the list goes on were the same too.

AJ, these products don't make even close to the claims that Pi water does. RO/DI filters purify water, that is a fact, that is the manufacturer's claims and they can prove it. The wet/dry filter is the same, it does something that has been proven; breaks down ammonia and provides a place for nitrifying bacteria to do their work, again this is a fact and has been proven.

I'm not trying to bust your you know whats but the claims made by the product manufacturer are outlandish. If you believe it, great but if you put it up for sale then be prepared to answer questions on the literature you put forth that backs it up. Nothing out there that you've linked is worth the paper it is written on.

Remember your original post was: "This is the ABSOLUTE best water product on the market ANYWHERE in the world! Even if you're using RO/DI water...this is a major improvement. RO/DI water is NOT good to drink! This water not only IS safe to drink...it can help your body MEDICALLY!!!", I'm merely asking for proof from the seller of the product.

[ajx22]

And as I said...I'm NOT the expert and can't properly explain things. I will however get people who are experts to clarify things.

As for the "outlandish" claims of the manufacturer...I have heard of this technology a long time ago...just only recently has a North American company been able to offer it.

As for your "Nothing out there that you've linked is worth the paper it is written on" statement...I think that endorsements from companies like the Red Cross, the EPA and the NSF as well as the FDA and CSA has at least some "worth".

As for the water in general...do some of your own research of this. Everyone has an opinion, and that's fine...but the opinion I was looking for via this post was from people EXPERIENCED in USING this product and not just general "this is BS statements".

As for the "proof" statements...I would like for you to provide some information as to why these statements are so "outlandish" to begin with. Just because you or I don't understand something, that makes it impossible??

All I ask is for you to provide some 'facts' to support your negativity. I'm providing info from companies that have a LOT to loose by making such 'false' claims...so do some research and if you can prove them to be 'BS' statements...then your 'False Advertising' lawsuit will make you a very rich man.

Regards,

[Troy F]

You didn't provide anything useful. It is accepted as a water filter the rest of the claims are "outlandish". If you want to take this to the next level and get into a pissing match about it then fine. You are the one that made the claims not me. Get a grip.

[ajx22]

Originally posted by Troy F
You didn't provide anything useful. It is accepted as a water filter the rest of the claims are "outlandish". If you want to take this to the next level and get into a pissing match about it then fine. You are the one that made the claims not me. Get a grip.

All I asked...is for YOU to support your negativity too. Is that hard? Is that something you take offence to??

My claims were quotes from a $1.5 Billion USD respected company...your claims are only your opinion. If you feel so strongly about this...then do something to support your views!

As I said...just because you or I don't understand something...doesn't make it impossible.

Troy...I'm not trying to argue with you on this...but when all NEW products come out...there is always the "I won't believe it till I see it" attitude. I am not asking you to take my or Nikken's word that this product is what it claims to be...but I am asking that our time be spent efficiently. Instead of arguing about what it will or won't do...let's try to determine IF it will assist us all in our hobby. The other interesting thing is that "pi" has been around in science for many more years then either of us. There have just been some new-found implementations for it's use!

If you're interested...I can try to put YOU in touch with someone in Vancouver that may have a Pi Water unit as a demo so that you too can assist in doing an independent study.

I'm always open to new things that will make my life easier, and I have personally experienced the amazing benefits that the Nikken product lines can do. I have been drinking the water for about 6 months now, and my ulcers are not bothering me any more. Over the years, I have taken more Meds then it's worth to try to help...but nothing ever worked. If this filtration system can assist me in such a profound way...then I can only imagine what it could do to aquarium water and fish.

For every ONE thing that we understand in this world...there are a million more things that we don't. I don't think that it's too far off base to think that where-as magnetic technologies have been proven to help numerous other sections of our lives, why could they not somehow be applied to water to make it better as well.

If you are interested in assisting in this research...let me know and I'll see what I can do in respect to doing some testing. Who knows...we could either disprove something or help revolutionize the aquarium industry!! (fat chance - but it's worth a try!) :D

Regards,

[Troy F]

AJ, let me know how I can help in the research of this product, I'll take part in any testing if it doesn't cost me the price of an RO/DI unit ;). If you or anyone from the company can provide me with unbiased documented proof I'll have myself the biggest plate of crow you've ever seen.

You keep referring back to the press releases from the company as if they are statements of proof. They are not, they are a sales pitch that reads like your worst infomercial on late night t.v. The fact that Red Cross use them to purify water does not offer proof that they cure cancer only that they think it does a good job of purifying water. Nor does the fact that the US and Canadian governments have cleared the product for sale. The latter merely means that our gov'ts don't think it will kill us. I don't have to offer proof that it doesn't work. I didn't claim it is the best water purifying system in the world capable of miracles. I am not selling it.

[Troy F]

Very well said, I too hate people who express there opinion. It particularly bothers me when they ask for proof of someone who makes claims that might be incorrect. The fact that an owner of a company that sells stuff comes on his board that is supposed to be here to further knowledge and says, "This is the ABSOLUTE best water product on the market ANYWHERE in the world! Even if you're using RO/DI water...this is a major improvement. RO/DI water is NOT good to drink! This water not only IS safe to drink...it can help your body MEDICALLY!!!" I might be alone but I think this is a conflict of interest. I've asked everyone I know, read all of the links on the product and have stated my opinion. For this one of the "moderators" flames me as does the owner of the board.

PS: For god's sake man, if you're going to use the edit feature, use the edit feature.

I am out. Flame on Dark One.

[Troy F]

The last thing I'm going to respond to here is your comment: HAve some taste when you post a question ,or answer one .

Is that supposed to be ironic? Though A.J. and I disagree about the product and his post, neither of us needed to swear to get our points across. The fact that you are moderator should probably incite you to try and conduct yourself in a more appropriate way.

Everything I've said to A.J., I would say to his face and show the same respect I've tried to show him throughout, (though I've apparently failed). Were you to approach me with the attitude you've shown, I would probably take exception.

[DJ88]

Asmodeous,

Troy has shown taste throughout his posts and questions. At least he has questioned what he saw. I know I have. And for the reason that the whole thing sounds like some too good to be true scam I have chosen not to post. Until you decided to tell Troy in effect to be quiet..... So here is my take on this whole thing....


This is the ABSOLUTE best water product on the market ANYWHERE in the world! Even if you're using RO/DI water...this is a major improvement. RO/DI water is NOT good to drink! This water not only IS safe to drink...it can help your body MEDICALLY!!!


Do you believe that a Goldfish was kept ALIVE in a AIRTIGHT SEALED container for 216 days using this hi-tech water?


Check out the link! You'll be glad you did!!!

To me that sounds like some pretty wild claims. Help your body medically? pffftt whatever.. Lets see independent proof. Not claims by the company selling it. Or the R&D dept for that company.

Air tight container for 216 days? Did they wait for it to die to see how long till it suffocated? You all know that if you do not aerate your tank it dies.. period. That fish in that tiny ball would use that air in a lot less time than over 200 days.

The absolute best water product in the world? When a company makes claims like this it makes most of us consumers very wary. All to often wild outlandish claims are just that. Wild and outlandish. They make me walk the other way.. Every day some new company shows up and says this about themselves. They often disappear after they have made the money they want and the market dries up when people see the claims aren't what was said.


This company has developed a way to alter the molecular form of water...thus 'charging' the water.

Charging the water.. hmm what did it get? $250 and 30 days? Did they stick a power cord in the water? That to me sounds like they are adding scientific geek speak into the advertising to impress people and to make them think years of work has gone into it... Charging the water???? c'mon. Tell us exactly what this means. The web site doesn't describe it.



Saltwater fish & fresh water fish can live together in high-energy Pi Water.

LOL!!!!! COME ON PEOPLE!! this on the first page of the web site should have shown you the claims are outlandish! YOU ARE REEF KEEPERS! You know you can't keep fresh water and salt water fish together and have both live!!! lol For a short time yes. Long term.. nope. If they have why not share the acclimation method and what was done to prepare the fish for this. Or did they just throw them in and keep the ones that didn't die from the sudden salinity change?


Pi Water has Same Bio-energy with Body Water

HUH? English sentence structure please. I am gathering they are saying this water has the same bio energy as a human body.. ok.. can you elaborate on this? I looked into Kirilian photography at the companies web site.. They take pictures of crop circles, stones from pyramids and pretty pics of potatoes and french fries. More wild claims.


Pi Water is Made with One of Smallest Molecule Cluster Number

Again.. HUH??? English please..


This could happen because high-energy Pi Water can provide necessary bio-energy to allow gold fish to live.

Back to the goldfish in the bowl here. Does this mean I can drink nothing but this water and live without nourishment????



and this company does NOT make false claims!

See above.. all of it.. IMO.


When high-energy Pi Water is applied to cuts or burns on your body, you may see that they will heal quicker than usual

The only thing I saw on the web page I can really take as truth. They add in MAY heal faster. They can't say it will, as they can be held liable to that claim.

For a product that is so amazing to have only 3800 visits to the site since 1999 makes me wonder.


Asmodeous.. Troy and others are asking AJ where he gets thie info he has been passing on. I did a search on this product. And have decided to not even include the manufacturers web page info on here.. but here is a small sample..

On the first page they have a small java program that emulates water. I am sure you have seen it on the net everywhere.. well this is what they describe it as......


A right picture is the image of pie water. Signs that water with energy moves about actively are expressed (spelling mistakes are from the site)

The "image" they are using is a readily available Java applet that when you move your mouse over it, it looks like you are moving your finger in water. the ripples and everything. If you click the applet you get the authors name and contact info. This only appears if it was freeware that wasn't paid for by the user. Right there they are claiming that this "image" is theirs. It isn't.. It is a small prgram written by an independant author and now they are saying that it is theirs.. :rolleyes: plagerism anyone? Want more? There is lots... Go to Pi Waters web site.. you will have casino pop up widows appear. For a company making billions each year why do they need to advertise for a casino to make money????????


All the sites I have found say the same thing and make wild claims..


I have done the research into the company and IMO feel it is a scam. One that markets itself to people who have health problems and are getting frustrated by lack of change.

AJ,

I have IBD and used to regularly get esophageal ulcers due to a hiatus hernia. I found the best way to deal with them is careful management of diet. Let your body heal by not eating acidic foods, fried foods, coffee, alcohol etc. As well taking in the required amount of water daily helped dilute the stomach acids and lets the body heal properly.

If Pi s working for you great..

but.. The owner of the board coming on and selling something(which is how this appears to me) raises the hairs on the back of my neck. As does a moderator flaming someone asking questions..

I have been there with illness and know just how many products are out there making claims they can do wonderful things science can't.. My family constantly is passing these types of products on to me with good intentions. Once I start to research it a bit I see the same things.. Again and again.. Claims that aren't backed up other than by the company themselves and a few people who pass on that it performed magic on them.

When an independent research organization proves it is true I'll line up.. till then..


This company has developed a way to alter the molecular form of water...thus 'charging' the water.

and other little quotes like


and this company does NOT make false claims!

makes me ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! :roflmao:

[kasia]

but.. The owner of the board coming on and selling something(which is how this appears to me) raises the hairs on the back of my neck. As does a moderator flaming someone asking questions..


I just need to add something here. I don't think AJ's intention of this whole pi water post was to force anyone to believe in it or claim it to be true but he just was wondering to know if anyone has heard of this.... Just as his post stated.

Knowing how AJ is, totally committed to the wellness of these creatures (fish) he was only trying to find out if there actually is a product out there which can help these fish. He cares about these creatures and wants to help them if he can. Would you shun someone who was trying to cure a disease or something.

I really think this discussion has gotten way of topic and we have forgotten what the primary question was..

Just wondering Troy why you are so against this product. AJ never meant to start anything and is only stating his opinion which will further turn into research. If you knew that this water could possibly help your fish and keep them longer then why not give it a chance. If you are so in disbelief then being a part of the research could finally put an end to all of this.


Are you going to put down the products that he plans to sell as well because you don't like them. Not fair.

[ajx22]

Enough arguement...

Sorry to have started a topic that is only causing problems.

Sorry folks...I'm going to close this thread.